Re: [ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
To perhaps clarify a point, all seminary teachers (and above) are official signed-on-the-dotted-line volunteer CES employees. Jon Geoff FOWLER wrote: > >>> Jim mentioned: > > There also seem to be a number of CES employees > > who aptly fit the description of "wolves among the > > flock." > > >>> while Jon added: > > And we have found some in our stake. When they > > are discovered, they are gone. Now! > > While I can see how perhaps a few BYU professors have become, > unfortunately, secularized in their thinking, I am truly shocked that > CES faculty would fall to such levels. I should not be surprised, > however - the Savior Himself testified of it. I guess I have been > fortunate enough to have never met one of these wretched souls. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
And I'm sure they use the cry of "academic freedom" as justification for using these movies and as a basis for their intolerance for church standards. However, BYU is a private university last I knew, and as such, should not be subject to the same bullying by academicians as state-funded universities. My answer to them is "go elsewhere." We have many LDS folks working at Notre Dame. It is a private university, and as employees of the university, even LDS faculty and staff respect the dictates of the Catholic church and university officials. At the very least, it's a matter of respect and at the most, h, Words of the Prophet?? Are these objecting profs LDS? If they are, shame on them! val Jim Cobabe writes: > > Val wrote: > --- > Bravo! How can we be held as an example to the world, when we have > such a double standard. It's hard enough for me to limit my kids (teen > and above) to PG-13 movies. I swear, they have more justifications than > Ole' Scratch himself! > --- > > You might be surprised to learn the sentiments of a number of BYU > professors. Some of them will simply not tolerate the Church > dictating standards to them. > > There also seem to be a number of CES employees who aptly fit the > description of "wolves among the flock." > > --- > Mij Ebaboc .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
>>> Jim mentioned: > There also seem to be a number of CES employees > who aptly fit the description of "wolves among the > flock." >>> while Jon added: > And we have found some in our stake. When they > are discovered, they are gone. Now! While I can see how perhaps a few BYU professors have become, unfortunately, secularized in their thinking, I am truly shocked that CES faculty would fall to such levels. I should not be surprised, however - the Savior Himself testified of it. I guess I have been fortunate enough to have never met one of these wretched souls. Geoff -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
And we have found some in our stake. When they are discovered, they are gone. Now! One nice feature of being a Stake Seminary Supervisor. Noj Jim the Babe wrote: > You might be surprised to learn the sentiments of a number of BYU > professors. Some of them will simply not tolerate the Church dictating > standards to them. > > There also seem to be a number of CES employees who aptly fit the > description of "wolves among the flock." // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re:[ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
You can fix these movies with ClearPlay.com. I use it to watch The Patriot and Black Hawk Down. it makes them somewhere between G and PG. Jon - Original Message - From: "Val" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re:[ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies > Bravo! How can we be held as an example to the world, when we have such a double standard. It's hard enough for me to limit my kids (teen and above) to PG-13 movies. I swear, they have more justifications than Ole' Scratch himself! > > val > > -- Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Deseret News, Wednesday, December 18, 2002 > > > > By Jeffrey P. Haney > Deseret News staff writer > > PROVO - Brigham Young University has raised the red flag on the use of > real-to-life Hollywood flicks to illustrate historical events. > > > Professors at BYU this semester started following a policy that > discourages showing R-rated movies in classes at the school owned by the > LDS Church, whose members are counseled by top church leaders to avoid > films with excessive gore, violence, profanity or nudity. > > > The guideline - created to set boundaries for visual and literary > materials used in class - says faculty should not "require students to > view unedited R-rated movies, as a matter not simply of content but of > obedience to prophetic counsel." > > > The two-page statement urges professors to pick films, books, poems, > paintings, music and sculptures that are "appropriate to BYU's mission > and teach them in ways that invite the spirit of God into the > classroom." > > > "It is important to help students not only to understand the world but > to stand firm against its evils - prepared to respond to its challenges > with love, testimony, wisdom, eloquence and inspired artistry of their > own," the policy says. > > > BYU spokeswoman Carri P. Jenkins said, to her knowledge, faculty won't > be disciplined if they don't adhere to the guidelines. > > > The selection of visual and literary materials "will depend on the > wisdom of the faculty," said Jenkins. > > > But BYU's guideline tells departments to "counsel" with professors who > "repeatedly choose inappropriate materials or who present materials in > inappropriate ways." > > > Students who object to material being used in class on moral grounds can > ask to be given another assignment. If the professor declines, the > student can take up the matter with the chairman of the academic > department and college dean. > > > "With this, there's a lot of invitation for discussion," said John S. > Tanner, chairman of BYU's English department. > > > Tanner, who helped cobble the guideline together using input from > faculty meetings and previous policies used in the College of > Humanities, said he hasn't received any feedback - for or against - on > the guidelines. > > > BYU bosses say the guideline will be reviewed in two years. > > > Questions about classroom use of films that had been edited for content > swirled after BYU's Varsity Theater stopped showing edited versions of > R-rated movies in 1998. > > > BYU's decision not to book edited and airline versions of R-rated movies > came after an American Fork movie theater came under legal fire for > snipping scenes from "Titanic." > > > Controversy also enveloped nudity-sensitive BYU in 1997 when officials > opted not to show four nude statues in an exhibit of works by French > sculptor Francois-Auguste-Rene Rodin. > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > > > > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
Val wrote: --- Bravo! How can we be held as an example to the world, when we have such a double standard. It's hard enough for me to limit my kids (teen and above) to PG-13 movies. I swear, they have more justifications than Ole' Scratch himself! --- You might be surprised to learn the sentiments of a number of BYU professors. Some of them will simply not tolerate the Church dictating standards to them. There also seem to be a number of CES employees who aptly fit the description of "wolves among the flock." --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re:[ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
Bravo! How can we be held as an example to the world, when we have such a double standard. It's hard enough for me to limit my kids (teen and above) to PG-13 movies. I swear, they have more justifications than Ole' Scratch himself! val -- Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Deseret News, Wednesday, December 18, 2002 By Jeffrey P. Haney Deseret News staff writer PROVO Brigham Young University has raised the red flag on the use of real-to-life Hollywood flicks to illustrate historical events. Professors at BYU this semester started following a policy that discourages showing R-rated movies in classes at the school owned by the LDS Church, whose members are counseled by top church leaders to avoid films with excessive gore, violence, profanity or nudity. The guideline created to set boundaries for visual and literary materials used in class says faculty should not "require students to view unedited R-rated movies, as a matter not simply of content but of obedience to prophetic counsel." The two-page statement urges professors to pick films, books, poems, paintings, music and sculptures that are "appropriate to BYU's mission and teach them in ways that invite the spirit of God into the classroom." "It is important to help students not only to understand the world but to stand firm against its evils prepared to respond to its challenges with love, testimony, wisdom, eloquence and inspired artistry of their own," the policy says. BYU spokeswoman Carri P. Jenkins said, to her knowledge, faculty won't be disciplined if they don't adhere to the guidelines. The selection of visual and literary materials "will depend on the wisdom of the faculty," said Jenkins. But BYU's guideline tells departments to "counsel" with professors who "repeatedly choose inappropriate materials or who present materials in inappropriate ways." Students who object to material being used in class on moral grounds can ask to be given another assignment. If the professor declines, the student can take up the matter with the chairman of the academic department and college dean. "With this, there's a lot of invitation for discussion," said John S. Tanner, chairman of BYU's English department. Tanner, who helped cobble the guideline together using input from faculty meetings and previous policies used in the College of Humanities, said he hasn't received any feedback for or against on the guidelines. BYU bosses say the guideline will be reviewed in two years. Questions about classroom use of films that had been edited for content swirled after BYU's Varsity Theater stopped showing edited versions of R-rated movies in 1998. BYU's decision not to book edited and airline versions of R-rated movies came after an American Fork movie theater came under legal fire for snipping scenes from "Titanic." Controversy also enveloped nudity-sensitive BYU in 1997 when officials opted not to show four nude statues in an exhibit of works by French sculptor Francois-Auguste-Rene Rodin. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies
Deseret News, Wednesday, December 18, 2002 By Jeffrey P. Haney Deseret News staff writer PROVO Brigham Young University has raised the red flag on the use of real-to-life Hollywood flicks to illustrate historical events. Professors at BYU this semester started following a policy that discourages showing R-rated movies in classes at the school owned by the LDS Church, whose members are counseled by top church leaders to avoid films with excessive gore, violence, profanity or nudity. The guideline created to set boundaries for visual and literary materials used in class says faculty should not "require students to view unedited R-rated movies, as a matter not simply of content but of obedience to prophetic counsel." The two-page statement urges professors to pick films, books, poems, paintings, music and sculptures that are "appropriate to BYU's mission and teach them in ways that invite the spirit of God into the classroom." "It is important to help students not only to understand the world but to stand firm against its evils prepared to respond to its challenges with love, testimony, wisdom, eloquence and inspired artistry of their own," the policy says. BYU spokeswoman Carri P. Jenkins said, to her knowledge, faculty won't be disciplined if they don't adhere to the guidelines. The selection of visual and literary materials "will depend on the wisdom of the faculty," said Jenkins. But BYU's guideline tells departments to "counsel" with professors who "repeatedly choose inappropriate materials or who present materials in inappropriate ways." Students who object to material being used in class on moral grounds can ask to be given another assignment. If the professor declines, the student can take up the matter with the chairman of the academic department and college dean. "With this, there's a lot of invitation for discussion," said John S. Tanner, chairman of BYU's English department. Tanner, who helped cobble the guideline together using input from faculty meetings and previous policies used in the College of Humanities, said he hasn't received any feedback for or against on the guidelines. BYU bosses say the guideline will be reviewed in two years. Questions about classroom use of films that had been edited for content swirled after BYU's Varsity Theater stopped showing edited versions of R-rated movies in 1998. BYU's decision not to book edited and airline versions of R-rated movies came after an American Fork movie theater came under legal fire for snipping scenes from "Titanic." Controversy also enveloped nudity-sensitive BYU in 1997 when officials opted not to show four nude statues in an exhibit of works by French sculptor Francois-Auguste-Rene Rodin. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
