Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every action has consequences, good or bad. Going faster than the speed limit is not the most important factor in traffic accidents. Defensive driving is. You would very well have a change of attitude if someone killed your wife and family on the state highway because they were speeding along without regard to the law or public safety. There is no excuse for reckeless speeding and disregard for the law. Those who do so aren't worthy of a temple recommend in my opinion. You speeders best be glad I ain't the prophet because I would yank recommends out of the hands of speeders with or without the Lord's permission! Yep, I would. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Going faster than the speed limit is not the most important factor in traffic accidents. Defensive driving is. Just think about how many accidents would be avoided if people didn't speed. Do you speed? If you do; stop it now! Speeding on the highway is SIN; period. You cannot justify it through carnal means. Try as you may, you can't. Obey all traffic laws as you are told to by the voice of prophets! Let's just see how many of you Zionites will follow the prophets this upcoming General Conference. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
It would indeed be a disaster of unjudgable and far-reaching implications. Stacy. At 09:30 PM 09/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't tell if you are hopeful or not. I will assume that you are not. Jon - Original Message - From: Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry Hey, does this right to bear arms extend to someone who uses alcohol to excess and might decide to kill my parents? Stacy. At 06:20 PM 09/09/2003 -0800, you wrote: I am so proud to be an Alaskan. Tonight on the local news I learned that the governor signed a law that went into effect today making Alaska the second state in the union to allow anyone who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit. I've known for years that New Hampshire never required a permit for carrying a concealed weapon, but now Alaska joins this very exclusive club among the states. Now lest anyone think I'm a gun slinger, I have a handgun that I never carry concealed simply because I don't feel any need to. BUT I decided years ago that I would carry a concealed handgun illegally whenever it pleased me. I consider my right to bear arms the most fundamental right I have except for my right to worship according to my own conscience. It is my passionately held conviction that no power or authority on earth has a right to tell me to go unarmed unless I choose to or unless I abuse my right to bear arms, something that I would never do. Incidentally, Alaska is also one of the only states in the Union that has no legal requirement for home schooling. Together, these laws make Alaska a place where a person can be more free than in the rest of the country, a really good reason for staying where I am in my opinion. Uh... we also have no state income or sales tax. Hey, I'm a lucky guy living in the right place. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR /// /// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /// // -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
This is obviously after the fact, something which I wish to prevent. Stacy. At 09:04 AM 09/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: Hey, does this right to bear arms extend to someone who uses alcohol to excess and might decide to kill my parents? It does not extend to someone who actually kills your parents. Convicted felons lose their right to keep and bear arms. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
How would that change my mind? It was the speeding that killed them, it was the RECKLESS part that did it. For my part, I do WRECKLESS speeding (1.7 millions miles and counting, as well as knocking on my head - wood, you know). I drive for the conditions. I practice defensive driving. I don't get tickets. I respect life. I only drive as fast as is safe, regardless of the limit. I often drive below the speed limit in residential areas, which irritates those who don't respect life. You may use a litmus test to judge people. I think that sometimes that can work, but other times it will not. Jon - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every action has consequences, good or bad. Going faster than the speed limit is not the most important factor in traffic accidents. Defensive driving is. You would very well have a change of attitude if someone killed your wife and family on the state highway because they were speeding along without regard to the law or public safety. There is no excuse for reckeless speeding and disregard for the law. Those who do so aren't worthy of a temple recommend in my opinion. You speeders best be glad I ain't the prophet because I would yank recommends out of the hands of speeders with or without the Lord's permission! Yep, I would. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
I with John, I don't always drive the speed limit either. I don't speed on purpose. I know I shouldn't speed but I do. OK, shame on me. Doug Paul Osborne wrote: I don't even try. I don't always drive the speed limit either. --JWR You should. It is the law of the land and provides for better safety for all drivers on the public highway. You need to stop speeding, now. If I was the prophet I would include the following question on the temple recommend: Do you obey traffic laws? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- -- Out the modem, through the POP, down the T1, off the router, down the OC3 ...nothin' but Net. Name: Doug McGee E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Concealed Carry
-- John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Redelfs: BUT I decided years ago that I would ... illegally whenever it pleased me. ___ I'm curious. How did you reconcile this with Article of Faith 12? I don't even try. I don't always drive the speed limit either. --JWR ___ Sorry to hear that. I never intentionally speed. Larry The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
Hey, does this right to bear arms extend to someone who uses alcohol to excess and might decide to kill my parents? Stacy. At 06:20 PM 09/09/2003 -0800, you wrote: I am so proud to be an Alaskan. Tonight on the local news I learned that the governor signed a law that went into effect today making Alaska the second state in the union to allow anyone who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit. I've known for years that New Hampshire never required a permit for carrying a concealed weapon, but now Alaska joins this very exclusive club among the states. Now lest anyone think I'm a gun slinger, I have a handgun that I never carry concealed simply because I don't feel any need to. BUT I decided years ago that I would carry a concealed handgun illegally whenever it pleased me. I consider my right to bear arms the most fundamental right I have except for my right to worship according to my own conscience. It is my passionately held conviction that no power or authority on earth has a right to tell me to go unarmed unless I choose to or unless I abuse my right to bear arms, something that I would never do. Incidentally, Alaska is also one of the only states in the Union that has no legal requirement for home schooling. Together, these laws make Alaska a place where a person can be more free than in the rest of the country, a really good reason for staying where I am in my opinion. Uh... we also have no state income or sales tax. Hey, I'm a lucky guy living in the right place. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
I don't even try. I don't always drive the speed limit either. --JWR You should. It is the law of the land and provides for better safety for all drivers on the public highway. You need to stop speeding, now. If I was the prophet I would include the following question on the temple recommend: Do you obey traffic laws? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
Geez, Paul. I can't even get to the temple without breaking traffic laws. If I abided the laws on the Tri-state Tollway--which goes right up to the temple, I'd get run over and killed! Posted speed--55; reality, minimum of 70. I've had people fly past me when I was at 70 and just trying to keep up with traffic. People in Chicago don't like going slow. If that ever were included, I fear we would not be a recommend carrying church anymore. Attendance would drop. We'd have to close temples due to lack of use! Oh the prospects are dim. . .;-) val On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:58:56 -0500 Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't even try. I don't always drive the speed limit either. --JWR You should. It is the law of the land and provides for better safety for all drivers on the public highway. You need to stop speeding, now. If I was the prophet I would include the following question on the temple recommend: Do you obey traffic laws? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Concealed Carry
Hey John, Remember target practice in the El Paso desert when Glenn was showing off? Pax et Bonum, John A.E., n/OEF -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Concealed Carry I am so proud to be an Alaskan. Tonight on the local news I learned that the governor signed a law that went into effect today making Alaska the second state in the union to allow anyone who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit. I've known for years that New Hampshire never required a permit for carrying a concealed weapon, but now Alaska joins this very exclusive club among the states. Now lest anyone think I'm a gun slinger, I have a handgun that I never carry concealed simply because I don't feel any need to. BUT I decided years ago that I would carry a concealed handgun illegally whenever it pleased me. I consider my right to bear arms the most fundamental right I have except for my right to worship according to my own conscience. It is my passionately held conviction that no power or authority on earth has a right to tell me to go unarmed unless I choose to or unless I abuse my right to bear arms, something that I would never do. Incidentally, Alaska is also one of the only states in the Union that has no legal requirement for home schooling. Together, these laws make Alaska a place where a person can be more free than in the rest of the country, a really good reason for staying where I am in my opinion. Uh... we also have no state income or sales tax. Hey, I'm a lucky guy living in the right place. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry
John, from your history of posts, I agree that you are a lucky man, but it is not because of where you live. It is because of the one big mistake your wife made. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: [ZION] Concealed Carry I am so proud to be an Alaskan. Tonight on the local news I learned that the governor signed a law that went into effect today making Alaska the second state in the union to allow anyone who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit. I've known for years that New Hampshire never required a permit for carrying a concealed weapon, but now Alaska joins this very exclusive club among the states. Now lest anyone think I'm a gun slinger, I have a handgun that I never carry concealed simply because I don't feel any need to. BUT I decided years ago that I would carry a concealed handgun illegally whenever it pleased me. I consider my right to bear arms the most fundamental right I have except for my right to worship according to my own conscience. It is my passionately held conviction that no power or authority on earth has a right to tell me to go unarmed unless I choose to or unless I abuse my right to bear arms, something that I would never do. Incidentally, Alaska is also one of the only states in the Union that has no legal requirement for home schooling. Together, these laws make Alaska a place where a person can be more free than in the rest of the country, a really good reason for staying where I am in my opinion. Uh... we also have no state income or sales tax. Hey, I'm a lucky guy living in the right place. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
