Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Then we will have to practically police the world. I don't think that is appropriate. Why weren't we sending money overseas to help the people in those countries make better lives instead of trying to make huge profits in this country as businessmen? Stacy. At 06:37 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Whaddya mean "we"? Actually the UN and European aid agencies from Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands in particular are the ones who have been building the schools and training doctors. And Medecins sans Frontieres is not a US agency so far as I know. You're helping, yes, but spread a bit of credi

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Marc A. Schindler
True, but they were well-based culturally and industrially after the North German Confederation under Bismarck (the so-called Second Reich). The people were also relatively homogeneous, too, although of course the Nazis exaggerated that. But with the EU now moving east to admit about 8 new countrie

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Indeed. The article says it may well take a century for the neo-Europe to rise. It didn't take that long for the Third Reich. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Ple

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Indeed. The article says it may well take a century for the neo-Europe to rise. Jon Spencer wrote: > I expect that sometime in the future, sooner or later, the power of the US > will dwindle and someone else will rise to preeminence. That will clearly > be a hard pill to swallow. > > But it hasn

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
You sexist pig! That should have been "she he" Jon Paul Osborne gloatingly wrote: > he he / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Paul Osborne
>I just listened to the speeches concerning the passage of the UN >resolution against Iraq I just heard it too. I appreciate having a powerful President in office that means what he says. I support a war with Iraq unless they bow their knees and completely comply to the demands of the UN. I also

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I expect that sometime in the future, sooner or later, the power of the US will dwindle and someone else will rise to preeminence. That will clearly be a hard pill to swallow. But it hasn't happened yet, so let's not worry too much about it. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote in part: There's an arti

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Just to be clear, I was making fun of your statement. You say that we are the laughingstock of the world, and I just laugh at that (Ha ha! :-). The US is in a very difficult position of having sufficient power to destroy most any enemy, but having no desire to simply crush an entire country (and

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I don't think so. This is something George III inherited from his Daddy, I'm afraid. After all, the Clinton presidency pursued the USS Cole case with as much vigour as any Republican president would have. But Clinton didn't need to turn it into a domestic election issue. Dan R Allen wrote: > Stac

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Dan R Allen
Stacy: The thing that gets me is this: If we're all of a sudden so concerned about Saddam's nuclear and biological weapons abilities, why weren't we as concerned in 1992? Dan: Clinton / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: > Ahem, it is embarrassing when you dissimulate. We bought oil through the > oil for food program, wherein the money is carefully tracked. By the U.N., which you seem not to trust. > And you are > not so stupid as to not know that I am talking about the other type of > tran

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I wouldn't say laughingstock, but when you're an elephant in a world of mice, the mice get nervous, even when the elephant is kindly disposed towards them. There's an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly that is kind of related to this. I don't go as far as the author does in his theme, which is

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
No, I am not laughing at LDS as you suppose. I am laughing at American leadership. Stacy. At 09:35 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Of course! I understood you completely. My statement still stands. What a narrow view of the charter of our church to think that we only desire to bring happine

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. It is hard to imagine who our dignity could be any further ravaged than it already is, thanks to Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
And as we are taught by the Lord, I am turning that scorn into a blessing to the world! Jon Stacy Smith wrote: > P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully. > > Stacy. > > At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Of course! I understood you completely. My statement still stands. What a narrow view of the charter of our church to think that we only desire to bring happiness to the select few! :-) Jon Stacy Smith wrote: > I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans. > > Stacy. > > At 07:

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully. Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laughingstock of the

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans. Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laugh

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. Stacy. ///

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Ahem, it is embarrassing when you dissimulate. We bought oil through the oil for food program, wherein the money is carefully tracked. And you are not so stupid as to not know that I am talking about the other type of transactions that these countries agreed not to do. Or am I incorrect in that

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
NOW we're in the spirit of things! :-) Noj Stacy Smith wrote: > Maybe not so rhetorical as really sarcastic. > > Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. Stacy. At 01:13 AM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: > We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we? > > Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections, > and he did a

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: > We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we? > > Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections, > and he did agree to get rid of all of the Iraqi WoMM, although I can't tell > you why we believed him. But certainly, we can't now. > > We are now

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
Maybe not so rhetorical as really sarcastic. Stacy. At 01:49 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we? Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections, and he did agree to get rid of all of the Iraqi WoMM, although I can't tell you

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we? Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections, and he did agree to get rid of all of the Iraqi WoMM, although I can't tell you why we believed him. But certainly, we can't now. We are now more concerned because he has had

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of "malleable truth"

2002-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
The thing that gets me is this: If we're all of a sudden so concerned about Saddam's nuclear and biological weapons abilities, why weren't we as concerned in 1992? Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at //