Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Sean Allen
On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, Christian Theune wrote: this might be interesting to ZODB users and developers: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/302177093/article.pl What I find interesting is that Python has had such a thing for about a decade

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Sean Allen
On Jun 3, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Sean Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] i dont think you can compare ZODB to gemstone's products. i've looked at both over the last few months with a decent level of depth and the gemstone

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Sean Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is different is that persistence is built into their vm. You just put anything into any global and its persisted. Yeah, that's nice. I want the whole operating system to work like that. ;) -- Lennart Regebro: Zope and

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Sean Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] i dont think you can compare ZODB to gemstone's products. i've looked at both over the last few months with a decent level of depth and the gemstone from a programmer's standpoint is infintately easier to use.

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Tim Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] But that's a feature and not a limitation. :-) If I store patient A in demographics and a clinical entry B in ehr When I edit the clinical entry B my DBM had better NOT update B. It is supposed to create a new

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Sean Allen
How does Gemstone implement efficient querying or indexing? [snip] Okay, this sounds like an indexing framework built into the database layer, something the ZODB doesn't have, but of course has been built on top with the catalog. pretty much. i haven't looked into the specific details

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Benji York
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you *can't* do out of the box is ask hey, what products have an attribute that points to this brand?. That's a back-reference, and that needs solutions like the ones to which I was referring. In other words: if you

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Gary Poster
Uh-oh, I'm implicated! (see below) On Jun 3, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Sean Allen wrote: ... If you do that in gemstone, there is only one copy of Order B, no matter what variable in what dictionary you come at it from. And its drop dead simple. I looked at implementing that with zodb

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Sean Allen
On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Benji York wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you *can't* do out of the box is ask hey, what products have an attribute that points to this brand?. That's a back-reference, and that needs solutions like the ones to

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-03 Thread Sean Allen
On Jun 3, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Benji York wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Sean Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Benji York wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you *can't* do out of the box is ask hey, what

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-02 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, Christian Theune wrote: this might be interesting to ZODB users and developers: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/302177093/article.pl What I find interesting is that Python has had such a thing for about a decade (the ZODB), and a mostly

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Christian Theune wrote: this might be interesting to ZODB users and developers: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/302177093/article.pl What I find interesting is that

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-02 Thread Godefroid Chapelle
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: What I find interesting is that Python has had such a thing for about a decade (the ZODB), and a mostly vaporware announcement in the Ruby world makes such a splash. That's because most things Zope are not very good with PR. Smart people are

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-02 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 15:45 +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: Lots documentation on the ZODB is available, scattered around the web. Let's gather it into one place for starters. So, please, someone actually do something about this rotten situation? Finally? Please? Please? Regards,

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-02 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Tim Cook wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 15:45 +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: Lots documentation on the ZODB is available, scattered around the web. Let's gather it into one place for starters. So, please, someone actually do something about this rotten situation? Finally? Please? Please?

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: Ruby/Smalltalk OODB

2008-06-02 Thread Benji York
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Tim Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I benefit from Zope and the ZODB especially. I know that I am a little better at PR than I am at the deep technical aspects (not very good) so I will initially gather (I already have lots of bookmarks) all the info I can find