[Zope-dev] Re: http access to svn repos?
On Tue, 2006-07-03 at 09:35 +, Chris Withers wrote: *sigh* red tape wins again. It's much easier to just do nothing, and just not be able to contribute from behind a firewall... Yeah, this is always unfortunate. The issues aren't so much technical feasibility as social / legal: a checkin done using somebody's private key is way less deniable than one done with a password. Unless you plan to set up a system for issuing client certificates to contributors, I don't think https is superior to svn+ssh at all. Hmmm, I'm tempted to call BS on this. How much of this has actually been tested in a court? Really, all this crap gets caught up on pseudo legal BS which ultimately just makes it more difficult for people to contribute :-( I really don't get the whole paranoia about passwords anyway... yes, client certs and public key are more secure, but really, why are we setting the bar so high? It's not like we're dealing with top secret national security stuff... +1 on Chris' comments For trying to get people to help out, this sucks ass. Come on, we're an open source project, we _want_ people to help out, not keep on pushing them away with higher and higher bars :-( +1 once more For my own contribution I could really care less what protocols we use, since Im in a situation where I can use whatever. But out of the 20 or so public SVN repos i have write access to, zope.org is the only one that requires this whole ssh thing (most do writing over https, a few do writing over regular http). Its certainly not the norm. I realize changing it at this point would probably be a major pain for all existing contributors, but lowering the bar for new contributors is definitely worth it IMHO. Anyhow, just my 2 cents. - Rocky -- Rocky Burt AdaptiveWave - Content Management as a Service http://www.adaptivewave.com Content Management Made Simple ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: characters allowed in object IDs
yuppie wrote at 2006-3-10 20:20 +0100: ... To support WebDAV as widely as possible, I would prefer to get rid of all id restrictions. I do not like to see new restrictions emerging... You just don't like it or do you know a better alternative? We need a way to make sure that object IDs can't mask browser views and resources. The current solution in Zope 3 is to reserve names starting with '+' and '@' for resources and views. _ is already disallowed at the beginning of an id. Could you use it to mark views/ressources? Compared to Zope 2.8.1 and earlier this is no new restriction. In order to support WebDAV as widely as possible, I have removed almost all id restrictions quite some time ago. I hope that this will happen in the official Zope as well. The current state of affairs is not really justified. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [ZWeb] Zope 3 Website
Those are the type of people that ideas but need us to implement them to make them real. Those ideas and having them implemented means more work for us in the community and that means more bright people in the community. Just my experience. Like the idea of balance also. What I was thinking wasn't really aimed from a pure selling point of view more getting back to grass roots websites though. The home page should provide a clear message about what the site is all about. That means a clear message about what zope 3 is all about. The reason it should appeal to newcomers in particular is because they are less likely to go further if then do not understand what the benefits are. Anyone already in the community is likely to be able to bookmark their ideal landing page whether it be news, new products, mailing list archives or whatever they like to use to keep abreast. There is a balance to be struck of course as we are not about hype but a clear consistent, concise message goes a long way. Think of it as a backing up of the community, when we try to convince someone they should use zope we can point them at the site to find out why we are so evangelistic about it. Anyway sounds like you guys are all on the right track so don't take this as a disagreement :-) cheers, Pete Chris Withers wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: Of course not, you are a total thinker, and not affected positively about people bragging. But most other people are. It's all about hype. I'll take that as a compliment ;-) Do we really want people that are attracted? How are they going to benefit our community? Chris ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[Zope] Ape
I am looking to map a portion of the local file system into Zope. One way to do this is to use LocalFS, another is to use Ape. I am sure there are onter approaches as well. We are using Zop 2.9.X. Will Ape work in this context? What would you suggest? ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Ape
On 11 Mar 2006, at 03:13, Dennis Allison wrote: I am looking to map a portion of the local file system into Zope. One way to do this is to use LocalFS, another is to use Ape. I am sure there are onter approaches as well. We are using Zop 2.9.X. Will Ape work in this context? What would you suggest? Shane will no longer continue developing Ape and announced this a few weeks ago. See the second article on his home page: http://www.hathawaymix.org/ jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Ape
Dennis Allison wrote: I am looking to map a portion of the local file system into Zope. One way to do this is to use LocalFS, another is to use Ape. I am sure there are onter approaches as well. We are using Zop 2.9.X. Will Ape work in this context? What would you suggest? Ape doesn't work with Zope 2.9 yet. Shane ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Managed Server
Dan Gaibel wrote: Hello Folks, I'm interested in finding a company that will do monthly managed zope hosting. We're looking for a dedicated machine. I know that Zope Corp does this and it is quite expensive. I wonder if anyone has had any experiences with such a service. Any advice is highly appreciated, and I apologize if this list is an inappropriate venue to pose such a question. There are a number of these companies around. iMeme and Zettai come to mind. I'm sure there are more nowadays. --jcc -- Building Websites with Plone http://plonebook.packtpub.com/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Managed Server
J Cameron Cooper wrote: Dan Gaibel wrote: Hello Folks, I'm interested in finding a company that will do monthly managed zope hosting. We're looking for a dedicated machine. I know that Zope Corp does this and it is quite expensive. I wonder if anyone has had any experiences with such a service. Any advice is highly appreciated, and I apologize if this list is an inappropriate venue to pose such a question. There are a number of these companies around. iMeme and Zettai come to mind. I'm sure there are more nowadays. --jcc Dan, I use Zettai. Can't complain at all. Even though I use virtual host plan (I share a server with about 8(?) others) the performance is better than I feared might be the case. The best of all worlds is to at least co-host your server. But thats more over-head for the developer. Zettai support is excellent. (although they do get cranky if you lean too much on them). I just checked out the iMeme site - and they may be pretty good ( jcc wouldn't recommend them otherwise) but their presentation is gawd-awful and not confidence inspiring. David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] nested records
Am I correct that zope's item.subitem:record facility for form submission does not extend to nesting such things? If I have a form of the sort: input name=item.subitem.subsubitem:record I would like it to show up in the request as a record 'item' with an element named 'subitem' that is itself a record containing an element named 'subsubitem'. This doesn't seem to happen. Is this supposed to work and I'm making some other mistake, or is this not part of the functionality? If it isn't, it would be useful to have... Mike ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] nested records
Have a look at: http://www.zope.org/Members/Zen/howto/FormVariableTypes Jonathan - Original Message - From: Michael Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: zope@zope.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: [Zope] nested records Am I correct that zope's item.subitem:record facility for form submission does not extend to nesting such things? If I have a form of the sort: input name=item.subitem.subsubitem:record I would like it to show up in the request as a record 'item' with an element named 'subitem' that is itself a record containing an element named 'subsubitem'. This doesn't seem to happen. Is this supposed to work and I'm making some other mistake, or is this not part of the functionality? If it isn't, it would be useful to have... Mike ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] nested records
I don't *think* that page answers my question... if it does, can you point me to where? On 3/11/06, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at: http://www.zope.org/Members/Zen/howto/FormVariableTypes Jonathan - Original Message - From: Michael Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: zope@zope.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: [Zope] nested records Am I correct that zope's item.subitem:record facility for form submission does not extend to nesting such things? If I have a form of the sort: input name=item.subitem.subsubitem:record I would like it to show up in the request as a record 'item' with an element named 'subitem' that is itself a record containing an element named 'subsubitem'. This doesn't seem to happen. Is this supposed to work and I'm making some other mistake, or is this not part of the functionality? If it isn't, it would be useful to have... Mike ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Managed Server
+1 for Zettai. Have had great success with them. If you need a place to stick a server then I highly recommend bayMountain. Amazing service and support. A great team of open source and Zope experts there. Allen David wrote: J Cameron Cooper wrote: Dan Gaibel wrote: Hello Folks, I'm interested in finding a company that will do monthly managed zope hosting. We're looking for a dedicated machine. I know that Zope Corp does this and it is quite expensive. I wonder if anyone has had any experiences with such a service. Any advice is highly appreciated, and I apologize if this list is an inappropriate venue to pose such a question. There are a number of these companies around. iMeme and Zettai come to mind. I'm sure there are more nowadays. --jcc Dan, I use Zettai. Can't complain at all. Even though I use virtual host plan (I share a server with about 8(?) others) the performance is better than I feared might be the case. The best of all worlds is to at least co-host your server. But thats more over-head for the developer. Zettai support is excellent. (although they do get cranky if you lean too much on them). I just checked out the iMeme site - and they may be pretty good ( jcc wouldn't recommend them otherwise) but their presentation is gawd-awful and not confidence inspiring. David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] nested records
--On 11. März 2006 18:26:52 -0600 Michael Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't *think* that page answers my question... if it does, can you point me to where? record Nested records are not supported and this is a very uncommon usecase. You should fix your data model _somehow_. -aj --- - Andreas JungZOPYX Ltd. Co KG- - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.zopyx.com, www.zopyx.de - --- pgpzrCkxluJ7U.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
