Re: [Zope] Z2.log format
--On 15. November 2006 16:37:33 -0500 Sascha Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm running an instance of Zope 2.8.6, and I'm stumbling into a problem with the format of Z2.log. Unlike an Apache log, which would have the format %S - %u ... Z2.log appears to have the format %S- %u ... The lack of the space following %S causes analog to choke on an address that contains a hyphen in it, and in my case, analog cannot read half of Z2.log. I've tried looking up how to change the format Z2.log comes in, but I haven't found anything useful. Is there any way to work around this? No idea what you're talking about. The Z2.log contains a space between the client address and the minus sign - at least for Zope 2.8+. -aj pgpoqzuxEt9Wb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Z2.log format
> I'm running an instance of Zope 2.8.6, and I'm stumbling into a problem > with > the format of Z2.log. Unlike an Apache log, which would have the format > > %S - %u ... > > Z2.log appears to have the format > > %S- %u ... > > The lack of the space following %S causes analog to choke on an address > that > contains a hyphen in it, and in my case, analog cannot read half of Z2.log. What is 'analog'? I have Zope 2.8.8 and my Z2.log entries looks like: 127.0.0.1 - Anonymous [04/Oct/2006:23:17:06 +0200] "GET /manage HTTP/1.1" 401 546 "" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; pl-PL; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060921 Ubuntu/dapper-security Firefox/1.5.0.7" I have no Z2.8.6 instance to compare but maybe you may try installing newer Zope 2.8.x (there should be no compatibility issues) and see if it helps. -- Maciej Wisniowski ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] All the pretty Icons have gone
> As a new learner of Zope & Plone (Plone 2.5). > I am slowly working through ZopeBook-2.6. Take a look at ZopeBook 2.7 at plope.org and look at Zope wiki at http://wiki.zope.org/FrontPage. Maybe it is better to start with tutorial from UpfrontSystems (link is in wiki). Keep in mind that all of these may be sometimes out of date. > Most going well but suddenly all screen icons have disappeared!. > All I see is the alternative text. By screen icons you mean icons visible in ZMI like: Folder, Script Python etc? Do you have any errors in error log (and in event.log)? What happens when you try to directly open the image icon? Do you have any broken products in Control Panel->Product management? And stupid thing but, have you tried different browser...? -- Maciej Wisniowski ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Z2.log format
I'm running an instance of Zope 2.8.6, and I'm stumbling into a problem with the format of Z2.log. Unlike an Apache log, which would have the format%S - %u ... Z2.log appears to have the format%S- %u ...The lack of the space following %S causes analog to choke on an address that contains a hyphen in it, and in my case, analog cannot read half of Z2.log. I've tried looking up how to change the format Z2.log comes in, but I haven't found anything useful. Is there any way to work around this?-Sascha ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:35:48AM -0800, Hafeliel wrote: > My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply. > > Here's what I'm hearing: > > [1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully > incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to > point out that the Image class is a descendent of the > Persistent class. > > I opened my Zope Book back up to see how I could have > missed this, and as I expected, the book doesn't show > this ancestorage. In fact, the Persistent class isn't > listed in Appendix B at all. The paper books for zope 2 are all ancient. REALLY ancient. The latest is here: http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition It's also a bit old, but it has a *lot* of updates since the paper version and even since the previous online edition. IMO the community badly needs somebody to overhaul the Zope Book and Zope Developers' Guide. Unfortunately, that's a *very* labor-intensive job, and pretty much everybody with sufficient knowledge has too much paying work to do that, myself included. Kudos to Chris McDonough and the contributors for getting the 2.7 edition as far as it got. Meanwhile, zopewiki.org is very very useful. > If you do not like the direction I'm headed, then by > all means, do not follow. Stick with Zope and enjoy > it, but I personally think that a light-weight > alternative that doesn't protect us from doing what we > want to do would be better. FWIW, there's lots of those. Pylons maybe? > [5] Several of you defended Zope by saying that it > evolved to be the beast that it is. Frankly, that's a > terrible reason to live with a mess. A large number of working deployments, OTOH, is a very good reason to not throw away the past :) > Sometimes it > takes starting over to get going in the right > direction. A couple of people have mentioned Zope 3 already... We've been in the process of "starting over" for several years now. There's simultaneously an evolution of Zope 2 to use more and more of Zope 3. Unfortunately this means zope 2 is going to get bigger before it can get smaller. Read the archives of the zope3-dev list for some ideas on how this might all pan out... Jim's message "Two visions" from Feb. of this year. People like to start from scratch, but sooner or later they end up reinventing all the features they threw away :) We're trying to find a way not to throw out all the good stuff. > That's why I'm pushing to making it an Apache module. There has been some work done on running zope under Apache. Google for modzope. > Apache is wildly popular and used in a tremendous > number of servers. It already does most everything, > so why re-invent the wheel? Let's just add on the few > missing pieces so we can give developers the tools > they need to build the rest of the car. "does most everything"? "few missing pieces"? How can you compare an HTTP server to a full-featured web development framework? > So follow if you dare, help if you'd like, but shout > your insults at my back. I see no reason to stick > around a community that treats me like this when I'm > only trying to help. FWIW, while I do think you have some misconceptions of where zope is going, I do think the tone got a lot harsher than necessary. I haven't posted on your wiki because I prefer mailing lists. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] All the pretty Icons have gone
As a new learner of Zope & Plone (Plone 2.5). I am slowly working through ZopeBook-2.6.Most going well but suddenly all screen icons have disappeared!.All I see is the alternative text. * Probably the last thing I was playing with is on page 110 of ZopeBook-2.6.pdfWhere I viewed directly "http://localhost:8080/p_/ZopeButton" - which still works• And did some experimenting with "standard_html_header"• It was about this stage that icons began to disappear• I have done some undos • I have restarted zope• I have restarted computer• I have tried an zope.org archive search without successEverything else seems to work OKAny help appreciated.George Wright ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: ImportError: No module named cPersistence
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Glenn Gillis wrote: > Jens Vagelpohl wrote: >> On 14 Nov 2006, at 02:34, Glenn Gillis wrote: >> I'm stuck on this error attempting to start Zope 2.9.5 with Python 2.4.3 on a FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p22 box: "ImportError: No module named cPersistence" >> I'm afraid this has nothing to do with the zope.conf file you quoted so >> judiciously. Did you actually *compile* Zope..? > > Ah, yes. "./configure", "make", "make instance". You didn't install it. If you want to use the "working directory" in which you unpacked the tarball your SOFTWARE_HOME, you need to run 'make inplace', too. Otherwise, you should run 'make install' (assuming you passed an appropriate prefix to 'configure') and then re-do the 'make instance' bit from the installed tree. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 202-558-7113 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFW3Q4+gerLs4ltQ4RAix6AJ9q0fTxjnMtMyFj5oxGJwslE2rxCgCgrf4s E/n1Uq8gfl2bOly8WkBnEj0= =DZqO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
Philip Kilner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael,michael nt milne wrote:> Is there a reason that the Plone list gets 3 times the level of postings> that the Zope list gets? Yes. because it is a more mature and> constructive support environment which actually helps promote the product. >Bollocks.:-):-) ok I exaggerated the claim slightly for effect but only *slightly*. Of course there are many variables in the reasons why the Plone list gets more postings but one thing is true - it does have more 'class', is populated by more rounded people and is massively more supportive. On 11/14/06, Philip Kilner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael,michael nt milne wrote:> Is there a reason that the Plone list gets 3 times the level of postings> that the Zope list gets? Yes. because it is a more mature and> constructive support environment which actually helps promote the product. >Bollocks.:-)--Regards,PhilK"Say what you mean. Bear witness. Iterate." -John M. Ford-- michael ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ImportError: No module named cPersistence
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > > On 14 Nov 2006, at 02:34, Glenn Gillis wrote: > >>> I'm stuck on this error attempting to start Zope 2.9.5 with Python 2.4.3 >>> on a FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p22 box: >>> >>> "ImportError: No module named cPersistence" > > I'm afraid this has nothing to do with the zope.conf file you quoted so > judiciously. Did you actually *compile* Zope..? Ah, yes. "./configure", "make", "make instance". Glenn > jens > > > ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists -http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
--On 15. November 2006 07:35:48 -0800 Hafeliel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply. Here's what I'm hearing: [1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to point out that the Image class is a descendent of the Persistent class. I opened my Zope Book back up to see how I could have missed this, and as I expected, the book doesn't show this ancestorage. In fact, the Persistent class isn't listed in Appendix B at all. [2] Some of you felt that it is acceptable that Zope's "complete docs" are scattered across the web. I disagree. The Zope Book should be complete if it's going to pretend to be the docs for Zope. The docs for Python, for example, seem to be complete. You might have to surf around a bit to find an example that does what you want, but you don't have to dig into the source for Python just to find out what methods are available to a given class! That's not acceptable IMHO. This thread is about your wiki, not about the docs. That's a different story. [3] Many of you have attacked me personally. Gee, thanks. I am not a troll. A troll is a person who takes only a minute to toss a match into dry brush so he can watch the fire break out. I, on the other hand, am trying to create something. I'm investing my time by creating a wiki, I'm soliciting advice from people who know more about Zope than I do (you guys), I'm writing code, and I'm trying to create something better. By calling me names, you've essentially elevated Zope to the stature of a religion and are branding me a heretic for daring to question it. That's not how an open source community should work. If you do not like the direction I'm headed, then by all means, do not follow. Stick with Zope and enjoy it, but I personally think that a light-weight alternative that doesn't protect us from doing what we want to do would be better. Zope 2 is likely the wrong tool for you because it is too huge, too complex or because it just does not fit your brain. Because of the number of wrong facts in your wiki you would better use something easier like Django, Turbogears, Zope 3. You want something small and light, the Python world has several alternatives that might fit your needs. How big is a Zope install, 20M? I'm not at my home PC at the moment, so I can't check. I'm betting that all the good stuff Zope really needs could fit in 50k. That leaves a 19.95M barrier to entry. I feel that all this overhead is some of what is keeping people away from Zope. Zope 2 is a huge framework. Don't compare it to *programming languages* like PHP. Complex frameworks require some intelligence and personal efforts. [4] Many of you hate the wiki. My apologies. Rome wasn't built in a day. A good wiki is good because so many people contribute to it. Until more people contribute, you can only expect so much. Rome was build on solid stones, not on wrong facts. [5] Several of you defended Zope by saying that it evolved to be the beast that it is. Frankly, that's a terrible reason to live with a mess. Sometimes it takes starting over to get going in the right direction. If you think it is a mess than provide evidence based on true facts. The wiki is created with a bunch of ignorance. [6] You're right that I'm totally ignorant about Zope 3. I've never played with it. I will try to make some time for that. However, my gripes with the original Zope is that there is too much. I really just want the Zope basics. Adding more to Zope will not make me happier. Take Zope 3. It's pluggable and highly adaptable. Zope 2 is not for you . That's why I'm pushing to making it an Apache module. Apache is wildly popular and used in a tremendous number of servers. It already does most everything, so why re-invent the wheel? Let's just add on the few missing pieces so we can give developers the tools they need to build the rest of the car. Must we care? As for me, personally, I'm going to press on making a Zope alternative. I don't mean it as any insult to anyone who loves Zope. Go, go, go and reinvent wheels. You are blind because you don't see the alternatives that are available. A buddy of mine drew some parallels to an SQL product he uses. Someone created an SQL Lite version of it for people who don't need all of the SQL's advanced features. By doing so, it was not an insult to those who created the SQL program in the first place. It was merely an alternative for projects where the Lite version was better suited. Yes, go and build yet another Python web framework. We have already more web frameworks than keywords in Python. I dedicate the new Python 2.5 keyword "with" to your new framework. The world really don't need another Python web framework. With have two solid frameworks like Django and TG, and Zope 2 and Zope 3...enough for the whole world So follow if you dare, help if you'd like, but shout your in
Re: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 04.00/04.00] Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
Hafeliel escribió: My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply. Here's what I'm hearing: [1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to point out that the Image class is a descendent of the Persistent class. I opened my Zope Book back up to see how I could have missed this, and as I expected, the book doesn't show this ancestorage. In fact, the Persistent class isn't listed in Appendix B at all. Absolute agree with these: if Zope documentation was complete some of us don't need to ask at the list but it's dificult to say how to finish it: everybody is busy every time I think the better people to finish the book is the creators themselves [2] Some of you felt that it is acceptable that Zope's "complete docs" are scattered across the web. I disagree. The Zope Book should be complete if it's going to pretend to be the docs for Zope. The docs for Python, for example, seem to be complete. You might have to surf around a bit to find an example that does what you want, but you don't have to dig into the source for Python just to find out what methods are available to a given class! That's not acceptable IMHO. [3] Many of you have attacked me personally. Gee, thanks. I am not a troll. A troll is a person who takes only a minute to toss a match into dry brush so he can watch the fire break out. I, on the other hand, am trying to create something. I'm investing my time by creating a wiki, I'm soliciting advice from people who know more about Zope than I do (you guys), I'm writing code, and I'm trying to create something better. By calling me names, you've essentially elevated Zope to the stature of a religion and are branding me a heretic for daring to question it. That's not how an open source community should work. Sometimes I'm agree because I read too much times: weird way Zope was a weird thing when it starts but now has a community with people working on it Weird things today was the standar tomorrow And is not new some people answerd to the list with a rude comment (you could see it in the archives) If you do not like the direction I'm headed, then by all means, do not follow. Stick with Zope and enjoy it, but I personally think that a light-weight alternative that doesn't protect us from doing what we want to do would be better. How big is a Zope install, 20M? I'm not at my home PC at the moment, so I can't check. I'm betting that all the good stuff Zope really needs could fit in 50k. That leaves a 19.95M barrier to entry. I feel that all this overhead is some of what is keeping people away from Zope. I would like a light-weight zope version but not in that way. In my opinion I don't integrate some products in the zope core (for example, wait, Aj, calm, please, DTML's). Perhaps a more Productic Zope Perhaps a basic zope with the minium to work and then products [4] Many of you hate the wiki. My apologies. Rome wasn't built in a day. A good wiki is good because so many people contribute to it. Until more people contribute, you can only expect so much. Perry, I'm sorry you had problems with the wiki software. It seems to work best if you configure IE so that it doesn't block cookies from that domain. If you want to create an alternative zope book, poor. We need a better zope book not 2 independent books There are webs with recipes, we don't need more too If you want to express your opinion a weblog will be a good way [5] Several of you defended Zope by saying that it evolved to be the beast that it is. Frankly, that's a terrible reason to live with a mess. Sometimes it takes starting over to get going in the right direction. [6] You're right that I'm totally ignorant about Zope 3. I've never played with it. I will try to make some time for that. However, my gripes with the original Zope is that there is too much. I really just want the Zope basics. Adding more to Zope will not make me happier. That's why I'm pushing to making it an Apache module. Apache is wildly popular and used in a tremendous number of servers. It already does most everything, so why re-invent the wheel? Let's just add on the few missing pieces so we can give developers the tools they need to build the rest of the car. As for me, personally, I'm going to press on making a Zope alternative. I don't mean it as any insult to anyone who loves Zope. A buddy of mine drew some parallels to an SQL product he uses. Someone created an SQL Lite version of it for people who don't need all of the SQL's advanced features. By doing so, it was not an insult to those who created the SQL program in the first place. It was merely an alternative for projects where the Lite version was better suited. So follow if you dare, help if you'd like, but shout your insults at my back. I see no reason to stick around a community that treats me like this when I'm only trying to help.
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply. Here's what I'm hearing: [1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to point out that the Image class is a descendent of the Persistent class. I opened my Zope Book back up to see how I could have missed this, and as I expected, the book doesn't show this ancestorage. In fact, the Persistent class isn't listed in Appendix B at all. [2] Some of you felt that it is acceptable that Zope's "complete docs" are scattered across the web. I disagree. The Zope Book should be complete if it's going to pretend to be the docs for Zope. The docs for Python, for example, seem to be complete. You might have to surf around a bit to find an example that does what you want, but you don't have to dig into the source for Python just to find out what methods are available to a given class! That's not acceptable IMHO. [3] Many of you have attacked me personally. Gee, thanks. I am not a troll. A troll is a person who takes only a minute to toss a match into dry brush so he can watch the fire break out. I, on the other hand, am trying to create something. I'm investing my time by creating a wiki, I'm soliciting advice from people who know more about Zope than I do (you guys), I'm writing code, and I'm trying to create something better. By calling me names, you've essentially elevated Zope to the stature of a religion and are branding me a heretic for daring to question it. That's not how an open source community should work. If you do not like the direction I'm headed, then by all means, do not follow. Stick with Zope and enjoy it, but I personally think that a light-weight alternative that doesn't protect us from doing what we want to do would be better. How big is a Zope install, 20M? I'm not at my home PC at the moment, so I can't check. I'm betting that all the good stuff Zope really needs could fit in 50k. That leaves a 19.95M barrier to entry. I feel that all this overhead is some of what is keeping people away from Zope. [4] Many of you hate the wiki. My apologies. Rome wasn't built in a day. A good wiki is good because so many people contribute to it. Until more people contribute, you can only expect so much. Perry, I'm sorry you had problems with the wiki software. It seems to work best if you configure IE so that it doesn't block cookies from that domain. [5] Several of you defended Zope by saying that it evolved to be the beast that it is. Frankly, that's a terrible reason to live with a mess. Sometimes it takes starting over to get going in the right direction. [6] You're right that I'm totally ignorant about Zope 3. I've never played with it. I will try to make some time for that. However, my gripes with the original Zope is that there is too much. I really just want the Zope basics. Adding more to Zope will not make me happier. That's why I'm pushing to making it an Apache module. Apache is wildly popular and used in a tremendous number of servers. It already does most everything, so why re-invent the wheel? Let's just add on the few missing pieces so we can give developers the tools they need to build the rest of the car. As for me, personally, I'm going to press on making a Zope alternative. I don't mean it as any insult to anyone who loves Zope. A buddy of mine drew some parallels to an SQL product he uses. Someone created an SQL Lite version of it for people who don't need all of the SQL's advanced features. By doing so, it was not an insult to those who created the SQL program in the first place. It was merely an alternative for projects where the Lite version was better suited. So follow if you dare, help if you'd like, but shout your insults at my back. I see no reason to stick around a community that treats me like this when I'm only trying to help. Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online www.Classesusa.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
Chris Withers said the following on 11/15/2006 09:00 AM: >> But us going on like "you obviously don't get it, do you? In fact, you >> dont seem to get anything about the web, even. Go away!" > > If that's true, then why not? > because it is not nice and we behave like them if we do? :-) >> either: instead of getting an enlightened zope user, we get yet another >> "zope sucks"-person with a bunch of misconceptions about zope out in the >> wild. > > Some people can't be helped... well, we don't need more of them, so we should avoid that as much as we can... >> Everybody needs to be treated with some degree of respect, and it's not > > Sorry, I disagree. Respect is a mutual thing. oh, yes, but when someone solicits opinions and gets whacked in the head because we don't like his ideas, then it is us that lack in respect, not them. >> Yes, in general, but in our case, I get the feeling that *anyone* that >> does not agree with the zope-philosophy, or questions the way zope >> works, gets a smack in the head. This is just the latest example. > > Nah, I don't agree, sorry. If that had been the case, how did Zope 3 > come into being? ;-) Because Jim is not someone to get smacked in the head? :-) >> I am not trying to tell people how to behave, though, even if it may >> sound like it - I am just trying to point out some things about our >> attitude that we should be aware of as a community. > > I'd say, as a community, we don't tolerate fools lightly. I see that as > a good thing... It is a problem because that makes us stand out as bunch of ignorable, elitist *ssh*les to the world. That is not a good thing in my book. YMMV. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: adding a python library
David Bear wrote: I am now looking at the modules feedparser imports. You don't need to cover these, just the types you need to import from the library itself and any classes or special types that get returned from methods in the things you import from the library. That said, if I were you, I'd just wrap up all the bits you need in an external method. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: hm... ok, point taken. However: he is not treating us like dirt. Yes he is; by simply not bothering to do any real research before making huge sweeping statements... If he publishes a wiki with some misconceptions, so what? If it's full of crap, quite a few people will let him know ;-) Will it have more impact than all the other sites that don't grok zope and therefore dismisses it? No, probably not. Yeah, but they got their fair share of trouble too... But us going on like "you obviously don't get it, do you? In fact, you dont seem to get anything about the web, even. Go away!" If that's true, then why not? either: instead of getting an enlightened zope user, we get yet another "zope sucks"-person with a bunch of misconceptions about zope out in the wild. Some people can't be helped... spending time thinking about a fork is futile. I somehow can understand his position, though, having rewritten some of our systems based on what they should do, instead of trying to understand the original spaghetti code (but my code is nowhere near the complexity of Zope, on the other hand). I don't there's anything out of the ordinary with this pattern, it's what happens with all software development... Everybody needs to be treated with some degree of respect, and it's not Sorry, I disagree. Respect is a mutual thing. Yes, in general, but in our case, I get the feeling that *anyone* that does not agree with the zope-philosophy, or questions the way zope works, gets a smack in the head. This is just the latest example. Nah, I don't agree, sorry. If that had been the case, how did Zope 3 come into being? ;-) I am not trying to tell people how to behave, though, even if it may sound like it - I am just trying to point out some things about our attitude that we should be aware of as a community. I'd say, as a community, we don't tolerate fools lightly. I see that as a good thing... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
