Re: [Zope-CMF] Plone participation in the CMF list
Tres Seaver wrote: > Geoff, we *do* want the Plone developers to participate here. Some of > the past history we can let pass, in order to share better in the > future. In general, we would like to see "infrastructure" components > shared, where possible. I'm glad to hear it. My sense is that my fellow Plone folks would also like to have infrastructure living in the CMF so it will get wider usage and support. We could definitely do a better job of systematically evaluating what should live where and then acting accordingly, and I think the CMF community could do a better job of engaging in that discussion with us. Once the dust clears from the Plone 2.1 release, I will see if we can get some discussion going on the plone-developers list about moving some things to CMF. I agree that SecureMailHost is a good candidate for a move. Perhaps ResourceRegistries as well. There are a number of utility methods that we have added to CMFDefault's base tools that could easily be moved over to CMF. I'd also like to have the CMFFormController discussion revisited. In addition there are a number of things in the Plone SVN collective (https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective) that might find a good home in the CMF (though not necessarily in their current form). A few candidates: the functionality in PortalTransitions I think would make a nice addition to DCWorkflow; ETagCacheManager (once it is refined a bit) would make a nice addition to the standard cache managers. Geoff ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Plone participation in the CMF list
We have contributed quite a few bug fixes to CMF, though that has been hampered by problems getting CVS access (I sent in my contributor form over a year ago and have yet to hear anything; as Tres has indicated, this has been a problem for several other Plone developers as well). I'm hoping that will move along faster now. That's out of the hands of any of the active developers unfortunately. We have also offered some fairly substantial pieces of code to the CMF (Archetypes, CMFFormController, SpeedPack), but have met with indifference and/or active rejection. I have several products I think could find a home in the CMF, but given the response to previous offers, I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to make the offer. I don't claim to know the details of how that went down, but I distinctly remember from the time both Tres and I were still at ZC that Tres offered to incorporate AT and have it become part of CMF. I'm not sure who exactly he talked to, but from what I remember that was met with the same indifference you're attesting the CMF community. In general, I sense a fair amount of hostility to Plone expressed on the list in the form of gratuitous sniping. If you want us to participate, it might help to play more nicely. I would like to note that CMF != Plone. Plone is the largest "consumer", correct, but that doesn't mean everyone who uses CMF uses Plone, or that individual participants are forbidden to have a negative opinion about Plone. Life on mailing lists is tough and full of taunts and flame throwing. The CMF list is actually one of the least "offensive" lists I am on. That said, I have heard some good ideas from e.g. Paul about how to re-align the "factions" better in the future and I hope both Paul and Tres can talk about it more in Vienna, and pull in suitable Plone leaders. It would help everyone if the CMF side opened up a little more to ideas coming down from Plone, and if the Plone side stopped reinventing wheels that would be much better off (and benefit everyone) in the CMF or other non-Plone core products. jens ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Plone participation in the CMF list
> P.S.: I too think that more participation from the main "consumers", > the Plone developers, is sorely needed on this list. Rest assured that those of us who are involved in the low-level plumbing of Plone do read the list regularly. We have contributed quite a few bug fixes to CMF, though that has been hampered by problems getting CVS access (I sent in my contributor form over a year ago and have yet to hear anything; as Tres has indicated, this has been a problem for several other Plone developers as well). We have also offered some fairly substantial pieces of code to the CMF (Archetypes, CMFFormController, SpeedPack), but have met with indifference and/or active rejection. I have several products I think could find a home in the CMF, but given the response to previous offers, I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to make the offer. In general, I sense a fair amount of hostility to Plone expressed on the list in the form of gratuitous sniping. If you want us to participate, it might help to play more nicely. Geoff ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
