Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-24 Thread Andreas Jung
ooopss - wrong list :-) On 24.11.2008 10:42 Uhr, Andreas Jung wrote: So weit bei mir nichts dazwischen kommt könnte ich ab 13h. Gruß, Andreas On 22.11.2008 15:39 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: zop Am 21.11.2008 um 07:31 schrieb Andreas Jung: hmmso why is CMF here nearly as bad a Plone. In Pl

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-24 Thread Andreas Jung
So weit bei mir nichts dazwischen kommt könnte ich ab 13h. Gruß, Andreas On 22.11.2008 15:39 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: zop Am 21.11.2008 um 07:31 schrieb Andreas Jung: hmmso why is CMF here nearly as bad a Plone. In Plone we know that everything is indexed various times (also in CMF I thi

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ross Patterson wrote: > Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Ross Patterson wrote: >>> Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Andreas Jung wrote: > On 23.11.2008 11:57 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: >> Am 23.11.2008 um 09:24 schri

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Ross Patterson
Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ross Patterson wrote: >> Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Andreas Jung wrote: On 23.11.2008 11:57 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: > Am 23.11.2008 um 09:24 schrieb Andreas Jung: > >> This issue is independent of the client-side. ab

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ross Patterson wrote: > Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Andreas Jung wrote: >>> On 23.11.2008 11:57 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: Am 23.11.2008 um 09:24 schrieb Andreas Jung: > This issue is independent of the client-side. ab2 a

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Ross Patterson
Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> On 23.11.2008 11:57 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: >>> Am 23.11.2008 um 09:24 schrieb Andreas Jung: >>> This issue is independent of the client-side. ab2 and cmf/plone were running on the same (fast) machine. >>> >>> Is this rea

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: > On 23.11.2008 11:57 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: >> Am 23.11.2008 um 09:24 schrieb Andreas Jung: >> >>> This issue is independent of the client-side. ab2 and cmf/plone were >>> running on the same (fast) machine. >> >> Is this really

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Andreas Jung
On 23.11.2008 11:57 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: Am 23.11.2008 um 09:24 schrieb Andreas Jung: This issue is independent of the client-side. ab2 and cmf/plone were running on the same (fast) machine. Is this really content that is suited for the ZODB? I am talking of the standard content-type

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 23.11.2008 um 09:24 schrieb Andreas Jung: > This issue is independent of the client-side. ab2 and cmf/plone were > running on the same (fast) machine. Is this really content that is suited for the ZODB? I'm just thinking of an environment with lots of concurrent writes and content manage

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2008-11-23 09:24 +0100: > ... >> Have you profiled an individual request to learn what the time is spent for? >> >> If the time is dominated by client side activity, you need client side >> skaling to increase the throughput significantly. > >> >> If, on the other hand, the ti

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Andreas Jung
On 23.11.2008 9:17 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2008-11-21 07:31 +0100: ... write performance ... However the transaction size does not seem to have any impact on the number of simulataneous writes. Have you profiled an individual request to learn what the time is spent for?

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2008-11-21 07:31 +0100: > ... write performance ... >However the transaction size does not >seem to have any impact on the number of simulataneous writes. Have you profiled an individual request to learn what the time is spent for? If the time is dominated by client side ac

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-23 Thread Andreas Jung
On 22.11.2008 15:39 Uhr, Charlie Clark wrote: Hi Andreas, a very interesting situation. I've never thought of object creation when choosing "pure" CMF over Plone as this is largely a ZODB issue. As Roché points out it is less likely to be the transactions and more likely to be the cataloguing

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-22 Thread Charlie Clark
zop Am 21.11.2008 um 07:31 schrieb Andreas Jung: > hmmso why is CMF here nearly as bad a Plone. In Plone we know > that everything is indexed various times (also in CMF I think) but > Plone has much more indexes and metadata compared to CMF. A request > in Plone goes through much more la

Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF write performance as poor as Plone?

2008-11-20 Thread Roché Compaan
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 07:31 +0100, Andreas Jung wrote: > Hi there, > > we are currently doing consultancy work for a bigger Zope-based CMS > project (lotes of users, lots of concurrent editors/write). Plone and > CMF are basically what we are looking into right now. It is well-known > that Plon