[Zope-dev] Conditionals in XML

2002-05-10 Thread Don Hopkins
Jeffrey P Shell writes: You would at the very least need something like: condition if.../if elif.../elif else.../else /condition Which would ensure / cut back on needless growth of stacks and/or global variables. Personally, I think the way Page Templates can do it (via a 'not'

[Zope-dev] Depending on attribute order is not XML compliant

2002-05-10 Thread Don Hopkins
I feel compelled to take the XML hard line, and point out that depending on the ordering of XML attributes is not compliant: http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-infoset/ XML Information Set W3C Recommendation 24 October 2001 2. Information Items 2.2. Element Information Items An element information item

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ZPT] Order of attribute execution Feature Request

2002-05-10 Thread Steve Alexander
Tim Hoffman wrote: In addition event handlers in html ie onClick onBlur etc are all order independant. now adding tal: attributes that where order dependant would seem to fly in the face of that convention. (Admittedely there are probably no strange dependancies that could be introduced

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope-Dev digest, Vol 1 #1682 - 11 msgs

2002-05-10 Thread Godefroid Chapelle
At 06:13 10/05/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'else' is tricky within the block oriented structure of anything XML-ish, because of the concept of 'well-formedness'. The 'if' statement would have to be singly wrapped, and the else block wrapped separately, looking at least somewhat awkward any

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ZPT] Order of attribute execution FeatureRequest

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Withers
Tim Hoffman wrote: snip This I would imagine could introduce all sorts of nasty bugs. Good points! On that basis, I retract my feature request ;-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ZPT] Order of attribute execution Feature Request

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Penny wrote: on the surface, to be pretty ugly. I have said that there are three specific things I dislike about ZPT -- 0) lots of things have changed spelling again -- request v. REQUEST, here v. context v. container v. this v. ? Yeah, there was absolutely no need for this and I

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT and 'else'

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Withers
Tim Hoffman wrote: The big problem with the whole 'else' issue as I see it, is that non coders, using dreamweaver etc.. would no doubt end up with both bit's of html in their template. But that's exactly what you want! hey can then see what would happen in either case and will probabyl

[Zope-dev] Can I get rid of standard_template.pt?

2002-05-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
I'm not using it, and will never use it, so why does Zope 2.5.1 always create one for me? Grrr. Highly annoying. :-[ ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT is young

2002-05-10 Thread Thomas Olsen
On Thursday 09 May 2002 09:47, Chris Withers wrote: Thomas Olsen wrote: DTML is great for style sheets, javascript and such where you cannot use ZPT and python scripts would be too ugly to use ;-) There's no reason to use DTML for these, as I've explained before ;-) Must have missed that

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT is young

2002-05-10 Thread Thomas Olsen
On Friday 10 May 2002 01:19, Adrian Hungate wrote: Yeah, for CSS I'd use ZStyleSheets, and for javascript I'd use a very large magnet... but that is another argument. GRIN -- Regards, Thomas Olsen ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT is young

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Withers
Thomas Olsen wrote: Must have missed that mail..? http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/dev-archive.nsf/$$Search?OpenForm cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPT and else

2002-05-10 Thread Brent Hendricks
Quoting Jeffrey P Shell: The 'not' TALES namespace is valuable. The downside is that you evaluate the expression twice. A good way to work within this is something that I did earlier today, outside of this conversation, where I evaluate an expression earlier and assign it to a

Re: [Zope-dev] Can I get rid of standard_template.pt?

2002-05-10 Thread Steve Alexander
Lennart Regebro wrote: I'm not using it, and will never use it, so why does Zope 2.5.1 always create one for me? Grrr. Highly annoying. :-[ From Zope 2.1.3 (when I started Zopeing), I could write a Python Product that expected standard_html_header and standard_html_footer to exist. From

Re: [Zope-dev] Can I get rid of standard_template.pt?

2002-05-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
From: Steve Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] From Zope 2.5.1, I can write a Python Product that expects standard_template.pt to exist. I dont see the purpose of that. Checking that is exists is trivial if you need it. I don't. I want to get rid of it, thankyouverymuch. Guess I'll just have to

Re: [Zope-dev] Can I get rid of standard_template.pt?

2002-05-10 Thread Andy McKay
If its the same as earlier zopes its line 174 of OFS\Application.py remove the offending reserved names. Except maybe for Control_Panel, it seems pointless. If the item's not there, an error is raised. Simple. To me there should just be a warning message, Removing this item may cause some

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ZPT] Order of attribute execution Feature Request

2002-05-10 Thread Jim Penny
On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 11:53:47AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Penny wrote: on the surface, to be pretty ugly. I have said that there are three specific things I dislike about ZPT -- 0) lots of things have changed spelling again -- request v. REQUEST, here v. context v. container

Re: [Zope-dev] Can I get rid of standard_template.pt?

2002-05-10 Thread Andy McKay
I looked at 2.5 on surprised to see that apart from Control Panel only 'browser_id_manager' and 'temp_folder' are protected meaning you can delete all the others. I threw a monkeypatch up that allows you to delete them anyway, and it will work for pre 2.4 systems

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT and 'else'

2002-05-10 Thread Marc Lindahl
on 5/10/02 12:47 AM, Jeffrey P Shell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scrivened: You would need something to close off the 'if' statement, otherwise, a document full of 'if' statements and no 'else' ones could fill up a stack needlessly. What's so bad about that? The stack wouldn't carry over after

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT and 'else'

2002-05-10 Thread Marc Lindahl
on 5/9/02 11:58 PM, Tim Hoffman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scrivened: The big problem with the whole 'else' issue as I see it, is that non coders, using dreamweaver etc.. would no doubt end up with both bit's of html in their template. Don't you have that now with the kludgey 'not' construct?

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ZPT] Order of attribute execution Feature Request

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Penny wrote: ...can also be written as: tal:x repeat=x xes tr tdtal:x replace=x/id//td /tr /tal:x Interesting. I seem to remember this from the Wiki's, is it documented anywhere else? This really seems like Chapter 5 material. No idea, but it definitely should be...

Re: [Zope-dev] 'not:' kludgey?!

2002-05-10 Thread Chris Withers
Marc Lindahl wrote: Don't you have that now with the kludgey 'not' construct? What is kludgey about the 'not:' construct?! cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ZPT] Order of attribute execution FeatureRequest

2002-05-10 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On 5/10/02 4:53 AM, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Penny wrote: on the surface, to be pretty ugly. I have said that there are three specific things I dislike about ZPT -- 0) lots of things have changed spelling again -- request v. REQUEST, here v. context v. container v.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ZPT] Order of attribute execution Feature Request

2002-05-10 Thread Evan Simpson
Jim Penny wrote: I have also said that, while ZPT is not as warty as DTML, ZPT looks, on the surface, to be pretty ugly. I have said that there are three specific things I dislike about ZPT -- 0) lots of things have changed spelling again -- request v. REQUEST, here v. context v. container

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT and 'else'

2002-05-10 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On 5/10/02 9:25 AM, Marc Lindahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/10/02 12:47 AM, Jeffrey P Shell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scrivened: You would need something to close off the 'if' statement, otherwise, a document full of 'if' statements and no 'else' ones could fill up a stack needlessly.

[Zope-dev] Don't try to improve or reinvent XML. Stick with the standard.

2002-05-10 Thread Don Hopkins
From: Marc Lindahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] You would need something to close off the 'if' statement, otherwise, a document full of 'if' statements and no 'else' ones could fill up a stack needlessly. What's so bad about that? The stack wouldn't carry over after html/html or body/body -

Re: [Zope-dev] Don't try to improve or reinvent XML. Stick withthe standard.

2002-05-10 Thread Steve Alexander
Don Hopkins wrote: From: Marc Lindahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] You would need something to close off the 'if' statement, otherwise, a document full of 'if' statements and no 'else' ones could fill up a stack needlessly. What's so bad about that? The stack wouldn't carry over after html/html

[Zope-dev] Permissions

2002-05-10 Thread brian.r.brinegar.1
Hello, I would like to setup the security on a Zope server such that a user can edit permissions on something they own, but not grant more permissions than what they have acquired from the parent. If a user owns a folder they could grant Owner any permissions they want inside of that folder

Re: [Zope-dev] Order of attribute execution Feature Request

2002-05-10 Thread Leonardo Rochael Almeida
On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 12:21, Jim Penny wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 11:53:47AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: [...] Actually, the first time I got bit was on repeat v. condition. I wanted the condition to test each row, not to guard the entire iteration process. You shouldn't want that.