Re: [Zope-dev] How to trigger Zope externally (mail)

2003-03-10 Thread Chris Withers
Ross Boylan wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 05:37:17PM -0800, Andy McKay wrote: Or just write a simple HTTP post using Python. Have a look around for the MailIn Product, or CMFMailIn which does this very simply and works fine for low volume traffic (eg: fine listening to [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Vote] PEP308 voting began

2003-03-10 Thread Chris Withers
Paul Winkler wrote: +sys.maxint ugly python expressions in ZPT is to me a clear signal that you need to refactor and that's a GOOD THING. And refactoring is easy when you can just start by copy / pasting the python expressions into a Script. If they were some new-fangled if: then: else: syntax

Re: [Zope-dev] Stupid dtml-if comparision

2003-03-10 Thread Chris Withers
David Cain wrote: I'm trying to compare two number, or at least I think they're numbers. You should be asking this on [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I do: dtml-var i dtml-var j dtml-if expr=i == j Equal block /dtml-if I and J print out the same, but do not compare to be equal since Equal

[Zope-dev] Fuzziness in tracebacks ...

2003-03-10 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am using Zope 2.6.1 with Python 2.2.2, knowing that this is not officially supported. There are no problems in general, but one thing really is annoying: I start getting tracebacks that only indicate the line in the code where the method that caused the traceback started. I don't get the

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Paul Winkler
A few questions / concerns listed below, otherwise it looks fine to me... On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 04:41:48PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: debug mode does this still toggle a whole bunch of things? production installation (on/off) what's this mean? network servers (http, dav, ftp,

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Jamie Heilman
- Environment variables are no longer used for configuration. I'll say it one more time. The roadmap[1] states under the Simplifying the Zope experience section: * simple tasks should be simple! Now, code required to extract a value from the environment: import os try: value =

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 18:07, Paul Winkler wrote: A few questions / concerns listed below, otherwise it looks fine to me... On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 04:41:48PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: debug mode does this still toggle a whole bunch of things? Yes. It's still the case that nobody

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
Adrian van den Dries writes: Debug mode needs to be broken out into directives for its real effects. I always want Zope to run as a daemon, but I also want automatic PT/DTML reloading, and immediate tracebacks. I think there should be a separate no-detach for those people who want that

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:11:25PM +1100, Adrian van den Dries wrote: Debug mode needs to be broken out into directives for its real effects. +L -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's ULTRA PENGUIN! (random hero from

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:31:13PM -0500, Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: Detaching, or daemonizing, will be a separate configuration parameter from everything else. great, that is exactly what i really want. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's GARGANTUAN SKULL OF THE

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 19:51, Jamie Heilman wrote: - Environment variables are no longer used for configuration. I'll say it one more time. The roadmap[1] states under the Simplifying the Zope experience section: * simple tasks should be simple! Now, code required to extract a

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Jamie Heilman
Chris McDonough wrote: Before dismissing it out of hand, I'd encourage you to try it out. I'm not dismissing it, and I think you need to go back and read what I wrote again very very carefully without reading anything into it. I'm not trying to imply that using environment variables to

[Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Chris McDonough
Hi folks, An effort to improve Zope 2 installation, startup, and configuration for Zope 2.7 has been ongoing for some time now (see http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/InstallationAndConfiguration). The effort has reached a point where we believe it is reasonable to merge its fruits to

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 21:42, Jamie Heilman wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that Zope has learned nothing from the UNIX philosophy. Yes, you can extend the config schema. You can grow new, better config files, of extraordinary magnitude. The all-powerful server

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Edward Muller
Hopefully I'll get to play with this later on in the week.. But here are the things I know I need as part of my business: -The ability to specify which python to use to build, install and run zope with. Our production machines have various version 1.5.2, 2.1.X, 2.2.X, etc installed. I must be

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Edward Muller
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 17:07, Paul Winkler wrote: A few questions / concerns listed below, otherwise it looks fine to me... On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 04:41:48PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: debug mode does this still toggle a whole bunch of things? production installation (on/off)

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
Edward Muller writes: Actually I like the way z2.py detaches or doesn't detach. Perhaps a separate config option would be good to control this. Detaching, or daemonizing, will be a separate configuration parameter from everything else. The basic mechanism will be that provided by the

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Proposed installation changes for review

2003-03-10 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 22:13, Edward Muller wrote: Hopefully I'll get to play with this later on in the week.. But here are the things I know I need as part of my business: -The ability to specify which python to use to build, install and run zope with. Our production machines have various