Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-10-27 Thread Chris Withers
yuppie wrote: And it doesn't work on Windows. Have you tried it? ...if you had, you would have noticed that the Win32 service stuff as broken, even without using buildout. No. I did have tried with mkzopeinstance and zopeservice.py. And it did work for me. I'm surprised. It certainly

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-10-26 Thread yuppie
Hi Chris! Chris Withers wrote: (updating myself much much later) (replying much much later) Chris Withers wrote: yuppie wrote: You ripped my sentence out of context. We were talking about Zope 2.12. And Zope 2.12 currently doesn't use buildout for setting up instances. Sure it does.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-10-05 Thread Chris Withers
(updating myself much much later) Chris Withers wrote: yuppie wrote: You ripped my sentence out of context. We were talking about Zope 2.12. And Zope 2.12 currently doesn't use buildout for setting up instances. Sure it does. I've published the recipe. There's no more needed than that...

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-09-07 Thread Chris Withers
yuppie wrote: You ripped my sentence out of context. We were talking about Zope 2.12. And Zope 2.12 currently doesn't use buildout for setting up instances. Sure it does. I've published the recipe. There's no more needed than that... Your recipe is not published as part of Zope 2.12. I'm

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-31 Thread Chris Withers
yuppie wrote: yuppie wrote: Currently buildout is just used to set up the software. Wrong. The buildout I posted, which uses no fancy recipes, sets up an instance. The egg cache, as such, is the software... You ripped my sentence out of context. We were talking about Zope 2.12. And

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-31 Thread yuppie
Hi Chris! Chris Withers wrote: yuppie wrote: yuppie wrote: Currently buildout is just used to set up the software. Wrong. The buildout I posted, which uses no fancy recipes, sets up an instance. The egg cache, as such, is the software... You ripped my sentence out of context. We were

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-25 Thread yuppie
Hi Chris! Chris Withers wrote: yuppie wrote: Currently buildout is just used to set up the software. Wrong. The buildout I posted, which uses no fancy recipes, sets up an instance. The egg cache, as such, is the software... You ripped my sentence out of context. We were talking about

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-25 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hello, On Fri, Aug 14, 2009, Jim Fulton wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jonas Meurer jo...@freesources.org wrote: ... zope2 releases based on buildout make it very hard for distributors to package zope2. especially as zope2 requires from what i know about buildout (and that's not

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-25 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 24/08/2009 Chris Withers wrote: that's important for distributors who want to distribute generic software, not user specific instance setups. Distributors just want a tarball or similar, let them use zc.sourcerelease and have a slightly different buildout.cfg, or even default.cfg,

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-24 Thread Chris Withers
yuppie wrote: Currently buildout is just used to set up the software. Wrong. The buildout I posted, which uses no fancy recipes, sets up an instance. The egg cache, as such, is the software... is used to set up instances. And while I see that using buildout for setting up everything in one

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-18 Thread yuppie
Hi Chris! Chris Withers wrote: yuppie wrote: ZDCTL=$SOFTWARE_HOME/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py exec $PYTHON $ZDCTL -C $CONFIG_FILE $@ I wish we could just bless buildout as the way to set up Zope 2.12, then mkzopeinstance becomes moot. Not everybody agrees with that. But nevertheless, both

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-15 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 14/08/2009 Jim Fulton wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jonas Meurerjo...@freesources.org wrote: ... zope2 releases based on buildout make it very hard for distributors to package zope2. especially as zope2 requires from what i know about buildout (and that's not much), it either

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-14 Thread Chris Withers
yuppie wrote: ZDCTL=$SOFTWARE_HOME/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py exec $PYTHON $ZDCTL -C $CONFIG_FILE $@ I wish we could just bless buildout as the way to set up Zope 2.12, then mkzopeinstance becomes moot. Not everybody agrees with that. But nevertheless, both approaches can learn from each

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-14 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 14/08/2009 Chris Withers wrote: yuppie wrote: ZDCTL=$SOFTWARE_HOME/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py exec $PYTHON $ZDCTL -C $CONFIG_FILE $@ I wish we could just bless buildout as the way to set up Zope 2.12, then mkzopeinstance becomes moot. Not everybody agrees with that. But

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-14 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonas Meurer wrote: zope2 releases based on buildout make it very hard for distributors to package zope2. especially as zope2 requires from what i know about buildout (and that's not much), it either requires a working internet connection or a

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-14 Thread Chris Withers
Tres Seaver wrote: Sorry, we aren't making such tarballs any longer. Distributors who don't want to package the broken-out eggs separately will need to synthesize such a beast, perhaps using something like 'zc.sourcerelease'. I was just about to suggest this. I haven't used it, but my

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-14 Thread Jim Fulton
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jonas Meurerjo...@freesources.org wrote: ... zope2 releases based on buildout make it very hard for distributors to package zope2. especially as zope2 requires from what i know about buildout (and that's not much), it either requires a working internet

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-10 Thread yuppie
Hi Chris! Chris Withers wrote: yuppie wrote: SOFTWARE_HOME no longer exist in Zope 2.12, all the software is now somewhere on sys.path. So this no longer works in zopectl: ZDCTL=$SOFTWARE_HOME/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py exec $PYTHON $ZDCTL -C $CONFIG_FILE $@ I wish we could just bless

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-08-09 Thread Chris Withers
yuppie wrote: SOFTWARE_HOME no longer exist in Zope 2.12, all the software is now somewhere on sys.path. So this no longer works in zopectl: ZDCTL=$SOFTWARE_HOME/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py exec $PYTHON $ZDCTL -C $CONFIG_FILE $@ I wish we could just bless buildout as the way to set up Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-07-24 Thread yuppie
Andreas Jung wrote: On 23.07.09 12:10, yuppie wrote: Any thoughts? Is the 2.12 branch still open for changes like that? Go ahead. I also had to fix a similar issue some days ago inside Zope startup code. Done. http://svn.zope.org/?rev=102230view=rev http://svn.zope.org/?rev=102231view=rev

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-07-23 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 7/23/09 12:10 PM, yuppie wrote: Hi! SOFTWARE_HOME no longer exist in Zope 2.12, all the software is now somewhere on sys.path. So this no longer works in zopectl: ZDCTL=$SOFTWARE_HOME/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py exec $PYTHON $ZDCTL -C $CONFIG_FILE $@ Therefore mkzopeinstance now

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12: mkzopeinstance, runzope and zopectl - a small proposal

2009-07-23 Thread Andreas Jung
On 23.07.09 12:10, yuppie wrote: Hi! SOFTWARE_HOME no longer exist in Zope 2.12, all the software is now somewhere on sys.path. So this no longer works in zopectl: ZDCTL=$SOFTWARE_HOME/Zope2/Startup/zopectl.py exec $PYTHON $ZDCTL -C $CONFIG_FILE $@ Therefore mkzopeinstance now creates