Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?

2011-11-17 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 16:12, Laurence Rowe wrote: > While I think there is definitely scope for simplifying the mix of > competing skin concepts in the Zope/CMF/Plone space, we need to be > careful not to bite off more than we can chew. We still have a lot of > CMF skin scripts and templates in

Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?

2011-11-17 Thread Charlie Clark
Hi Lennart, I'm not sure if you're not mixing different issues here. Am 17.11.2011, 11:35 Uhr, schrieb Lennart Regebro : > Absolutely. Getting rid of CMFSkins is a part of getting rid of CMF, > not a part of moving to Zope 4. Different issues. I assume you are referring to removing Plone's depe

[Zope-dev] Enabling External Methods in skin folders

2011-11-17 Thread lists
Hi, I have a bunch of External Methods I'd like to make available in a skin form, and which reload in the same way a page template would if it was modified and the server was in debug mode. What's the recommended product for enabling this now? -Morten ___

Re: [Zope-dev] Enabling External Methods in skin folders

2011-11-17 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 17 November 2011 11:28, wrote: > Hi, > > I have a bunch of External Methods I'd like to make available in a skin > form, and which reload in the same way a page template would if it was > modified and the server was in debug mode. External methods should not require restarts either. > What's

[Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Laurence Rowe
Along with David Glick, I would like to volunteer for the Zope 4 release management role, where I would take responsibility for producing the initial release of Zope 4 and David would then take over for the maintenance releases. In doing so, I thought it would be helpful to set out our understandi

Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?

2011-11-17 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:52, Charlie Clark wrote: > Hi Lennart, > > I'm not sure if you're not mixing different issues here. > > Am 17.11.2011, 11:35 Uhr, schrieb Lennart Regebro : > >> Absolutely. Getting rid of CMFSkins is a part of getting rid of CMF, >> not a part of moving to Zope 4. Differ

[Zope-dev] Zope 4 roadmap

2011-11-17 Thread Laurence Rowe
Here's my current understanding of the Zope 4 roadmap. Zope 4 -- Significant progress has already been made on the following features and I expect they should all land in time for a Zope 4 release: - Storing parent pointers (elro, davisagli): we have a branch of Zope that changes OFS to sto

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi, On 17 November 2011 12:25, Laurence Rowe wrote: > Along with David Glick, I would like to volunteer for the Zope 4 > release management role, where I would take responsibility for > producing the initial release of Zope 4 and David would then take over > for the maintenance releases. w00t :-

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 roadmap

2011-11-17 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 17 November 2011 14:46, Laurence Rowe wrote: > Here's my current understanding of the Zope 4 roadmap. > > > Zope 4 > -- > > Significant progress has already been made on the following features > and I expect they should all land in time for a Zope 4 release: > > - Storing parent pointers (e

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Laurence Rowe wrote: ... (Interesting roadmap snipped) > This process will  necessitate a lot of merging, so I want to propose > that we move to Git for development (something we found very helpful > at our recent San Francisco Zope 4 sprint.) I don't have any opi

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 17 November 2011 15:50, Jim Fulton wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > ... (Interesting roadmap snipped) > >> This process will  necessitate a lot of merging, so I want to propose >> that we move to Git for development (something we found very helpful >> at our rec

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2011 07:25 AM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > Along with David Glick, I would like to volunteer for the Zope 4 > release management role, where I would take responsibility for > producing the initial release of Zope 4 and David would then take > ov

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Chris Withers
On 17/11/2011 16:32, Tres Seaver wrote: > Note that this question is *not* suitable for "loudest voice on zope-dev > wins" ressolution. The software belongs to the Zope Foundation, which > will make any such decision. Small point: the software is open source and anyone who wants can maintain it

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 17 November 2011 16:32, Tres Seaver wrote: >> * Zope 4 will not seek to innovate in itself but encourage innovation >> in software components shared with the wider Python web community. > > > I smell something funny in here:  if we aren't innovating, why are we > making the effort? The innova

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 17 November 2011 16:32, Tres Seaver wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/17/2011 07:25 AM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > >> Along with David Glick, I would like to volunteer for the Zope 4 >> release management role, where I would take responsibility for >> producing the

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 roadmap

2011-11-17 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 17 November 2011 15:23, Martin Aspeli wrote: > On 17 November 2011 14:46, Laurence Rowe wrote: >> Here's my current understanding of the Zope 4 roadmap. >> >> >> Zope 4 >> -- >> >> Significant progress has already been made on the following features >> and I expect they should all land in

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2011 01:01 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > On 17 November 2011 16:32, Tres Seaver wrote: >>> * Zope 4 will not have a release cycle independent of Plone. Zope >>> 4 only exists as a transitional path for Zope 2 based applications >>> and experien

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 roadmap

2011-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2011 02:05 PM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > On 17 November 2011 15:23, Martin Aspeli > wrote: >> On 17 November 2011 14:46, Laurence Rowe wrote: >>> - Move authentication out to WSGI middleware. >> >> +1 - anything we can do to make AccessCont

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 17 November 2011 19:45, Tres Seaver wrote: > Again, this is a choice to be made by the foundation:  any polling will > be done by the members of the foundation (this might be the biggest > non-election item on the agenda for the next annual meeting). When is the next annual meeting? Laurence

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2011 03:14 PM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > On 17 November 2011 19:45, Tres Seaver wrote: >> Again, this is a choice to be made by the foundation: any polling >> will be done by the members of the foundation (this might be the >> biggest non-elect

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 release management

2011-11-17 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 17 November 2011 20:20, Tres Seaver wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/17/2011 03:14 PM, Laurence Rowe wrote: >> On 17 November 2011 19:45, Tres Seaver wrote: >>> Again, this is a choice to be made by the foundation:  any polling >>> will be done by the members

[Zope-dev] zope-tests - FAILED: 5, OK: 41, UNKNOWN: 1

2011-11-17 Thread Zope tests summarizer
This is the summary for test reports received on the zope-tests list between 2011-11-16 00:00:00 UTC and 2011-11-17 00:00:00 UTC: See the footnotes for test reports of unsuccessful builds. An up-to date view of the builders is also available in our buildbot documentation: http://docs.zope.org/

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4 roadmap

2011-11-17 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 20:57, Tres Seaver wrote: > FWIW, the port to Python3 of substantial existing web framework code is > already a dubious proposition:  nearly everybody doing it these days is > suffering pain (making their own code more complicated by straddling) in > order to gain hypotheti

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-tests - FAILED: 5, OK: 41, UNKNOWN: 1

2011-11-17 Thread Wolfgang Schnerring
* Zope tests summarizer [2011-11-18 02:00]: > [2]FAILED ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.4.6 Linux 64bit >https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2011-November/052798.html > Module: zope.publisher.tests.test_testing > > File > "/home/ccomb/ztk1.0dev-slave/Python2.4.6-Linux-64bit/build/src/

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-tests - FAILED: 5, OK: 41, UNKNOWN: 1

2011-11-17 Thread yuppie
Wolfgang Schnerring wrote: > Thus, I'm really confused why the builder for ZTK 1.0 is picking this up, > I've only bumped the version of zope.publisher in toolkit/trunk, nowhere > else. > > Can somebody enlighten me what "ZTK 1.0dev" actually builds? See the [sources] section including comment: ht