Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Bjorn Tillenius
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 02:25:38PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of the development team. You don't have to be part of the development team. You can go to

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Chris Withers
Bjorn Tillenius wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 02:25:38PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of the development team. You don't have to be part of the development

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Chetan Kumar
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: I see no such option on: https://launchpad.net/zope2 This page has the option: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2 Bugs tab on this link takes one to the above URL. https://launchpad.net/zope2 Chetan

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Bjorn Tillenius
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:31:42AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: Bjorn Tillenius wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 02:25:38PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of the

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Chris Withers
Bjorn Tillenius wrote: https://launchpad.net/zope2 Oh, that's unfortunate. There you have to go to the Bugs tab, and then you should see a Subscribe to bug mail link in the middle of the page. ...and even there it's pretty well hidden. Why isn't it a big button like Report a bug and Ask a

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Bjorn Tillenius
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:51:42AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: Bjorn Tillenius wrote: https://launchpad.net/zope2 Oh, that's unfortunate. There you have to go to the Bugs tab, and then you should see a Subscribe to bug mail link in the middle of the page. ...and even there it's pretty well

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Hi All, I have some real issues with this work being done in the fashion it has: - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 - There's been zero discussion with the community before this was done. Have I missed something here? In particular: Modified:

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 changes in this *early* beta phase, no changes after beta 2 are acceptable). This feels like an abuse of your position as release manager. Can you honestly tell me that if it was anyone other than you, you'd let them

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of the development team. Using it for features means that no-one in the wider

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Yes, that is possible. But I fear this list might not be the most appropriate place. Why not? I think having all developers being away of activity going on with issues related to the software would be a good thing... Maybe we should revive the 'zope-collector' mailing

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 changes in this *early* beta phase, no changes after beta 2 are acceptable). This feels like an abuse of your position as release manager. Can you

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: but I see no option for using such a list for tracker notifications. I suggest to add a pseudo member to the Zope 2 dev team and configure its mail address to some new mailman list on lists.zope.org where ppl can subscribe/unsubscribe at their own joy and pleasure. If

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: but I see no option for using such a list for tracker notifications. I suggest to add a pseudo member to the Zope 2 dev team and configure its mail address to some new mailman list on lists.zope.org where ppl can subscribe/unsubscribe at their own joy

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Andreas Jung andr...@andreas-jung.com wrote: I *think* there was such a list. LP provides mailinglist support for for each group https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev That's an option, creating a mailing list for the team. However it's not required. See below.

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:37, Andreas Jung wrote: On 12.05.09 15:29, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. You can't even get notifications of bugs unless

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:53, Andreas Jung wrote: That said, I think the process issues are more important than sepcific changes here: - We are too late in the cycle to be jamming in huge piles of features. Two is not a big pile. We had changes other than bugfixes after beta at least in Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:02, Andreas Jung wrote: On 12.05.09 15:25, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 changes in this *early* beta phase, no changes after beta 2 are acceptable). This feels like an abuse of your

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: Every active core developer should be member of Zope 2 dev team: https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev It is up to each developer to join the team It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't tell you how to do it now. Launchpad has an *extremely* poor

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:58, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: Every active core developer should be member of Zope 2 dev team: https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev It is up to each developer to join the team It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't tell you how to do

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Will do - after having the URL for the Join link. https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join -- Sidnei da Silva Canonical Ltd.  Landscape · Changing the way you manage your systems http://landscape.canonical.com

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't tell you how to do it now. Launchpad has an *extremely* poor UI here, what would be so hard about having a request to join this team link somewhere

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Will do - after having the URL for the Join link. https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join And where, exactly, are you

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't tell you how to do it now. Launchpad has an *extremely* poor UI here, what would be so hard about having a request to join

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no big green button here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev Chris, please slow down and read the *whole* message and also my other replies. I can't

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 17:07, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Will do - after having the URL for the Join link. https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join I added a note to the developers docs (should be online with the next automatic

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no big green button here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev Chris, please slow down and read the *whole* message and

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: I'm reading everything you're writing. What do you think I missed? You said: Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no big green button here: And the original message said: That page was

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Will do - after having the URL for the Join link. https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join And where, exactly, are you supposed to find that?! Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 17:25, Chris Withers wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no big green button here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: On 12.05.09 16:02, Andreas Jung wrote: On 12.05.09 15:25, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 changes in this *early* beta phase, no changes after

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: And the original message said: That page was changed recently to show more information. You can see from the screenshot on this page that there used to be a Big Green Button in the page for joining the team: https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/Joining Yes, I read

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: And the original message said: That page was changed recently to show more information. You can see from the screenshot on this page that there used to be a Big Green Button in the page

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Obviously it's not visible anymore once you *are* a member of a team. For an example of what it looks like when you're not a member of a team, see this screenshot: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/14102/screenshot_027_8l3CD1.png To me the link is perfectly clear