Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: The easiest way to do this is to add the following line to the "buildout" section of the package's `buildout.cfg` file: index = http://download.zope.org/zope3.4 (I know you know that Jim; it is for the benefit of people reading this mail. ;-) I've been trying to follo

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Stephan Richter
On Monday 12 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: > > I thus propose that all packages in svn.zope.org should use a KGS   > > for testing, > > because it is a fully public dependency graph. I am not sure   > > whether it > > should be the latest stable KGS or the development KGS or whatever.   > > Time

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 11 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: This breaks a fundamental assumption for releases. When I release something, I expect it to work tomorrow, next month, and next year. If you want this, then you can't rely on the KGS. When rele

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Nov 12, 2007 12:02 AM, Stephan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Like Linux distributions, there will be a KGS for every Zope 3 > release. I have already requested a new directory called "zope-dev" where new > feature releases can be tested. Okay, I didn't understand that KGS is

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Nov 11, 2007 10:34 PM, Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 11, 2007, at 2:06 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] > > > This breaks a fundamental assumption for releases. When I release > > something, I expect it to work tomorrow, next month, and next year. > > If you want this,

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 11 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: > > This breaks a fundamental assumption for releases. When I release   > > something, I expect it to work tomorrow, next month, and next year. > > If you want this, then you can't rely on the KGS.  When releasing our   > applications, we don't rely on

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 11 November 2007, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 8:06 AM, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I therefore still believe that version dependency information should move out of external indexes and into packages. Th

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 11 November 2007, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007 8:06 AM, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I therefore still believe that version dependency information should > > move out of external indexes and into packages. > > This is at least the intuitive place for this inf

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 11 November 2007, Martijn Faassen wrote: > What KGS solves is that it allows the ongoing development and testing of > an integrated Zope 3. That is, there's a Zope 3 'trunk' of versions > that keeps being updated as there are bugfix releases. I'm not sure what > happens as soon as someon

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 11, 2007, at 2:06 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, I've been doing some more thinking about external version indexes (like Grok's versions.cfg on a URL, and like KGS) and why they won't solve all our problems. I have a new way to express it, so let me try it out on you all.

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martijn Faassen wrote: > People have been saying that since Linux distributions use external > indexes, we should too, as we are dealing with the same problem as Linux > distributions. While the problem is similar, I think the nature of > development makes our problems, and therefore

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Nov 11, 2007 8:06 AM, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I therefore still believe that version dependency information should > move out of external indexes and into packages. This is at least the intuitive place for this information. My application requires Grok 0.11, which requires

[Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-10 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, I've been doing some more thinking about external version indexes (like Grok's versions.cfg on a URL, and like KGS) and why they won't solve all our problems. I have a new way to express it, so let me try it out on you all. What KGS solves is that it allows the ongoing development