Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Nov 11, 2007 10:34 PM, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2007, at 2:06 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] This breaks a fundamental assumption for releases. When I release something, I expect it to work tomorrow, next month, and next year. If you want this, then you

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Nov 12, 2007 12:02 AM, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Like Linux distributions, there will be a KGS for every Zope 3 release. I have already requested a new directory called zope-dev where new feature releases can be tested. Okay, I didn't understand that KGS is

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 11 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: This breaks a fundamental assumption for releases. When I release something, I expect it to work tomorrow, next month, and next year. If you want this, then you can't rely on the KGS. When

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Stephan Richter
On Monday 12 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: I thus propose that all packages in svn.zope.org should use a KGS   for testing, because it is a fully public dependency graph. I am not sure   whether it should be the latest stable KGS or the development KGS or whatever.   Time will

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-12 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: The easiest way to do this is to add the following line to the buildout section of the package's `buildout.cfg` file: index = http://download.zope.org/zope3.4 (I know you know that Jim; it is for the benefit of people reading this mail. ;-) I've been trying to follow

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Nov 11, 2007 8:06 AM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I therefore still believe that version dependency information should move out of external indexes and into packages. This is at least the intuitive place for this information. My application requires Grok 0.11, which requires

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martijn Faassen wrote: People have been saying that since Linux distributions use external indexes, we should too, as we are dealing with the same problem as Linux distributions. While the problem is similar, I think the nature of development makes our problems, and therefore our

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 11, 2007, at 2:06 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, I've been doing some more thinking about external version indexes (like Grok's versions.cfg on a URL, and like KGS) and why they won't solve all our problems. I have a new way to express it, so let me try it out on you all.

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 11 November 2007, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 8:06 AM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I therefore still believe that version dependency information should move out of external indexes and into packages. This is at least the intuitive place for this

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 11 November 2007, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 8:06 AM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I therefore still believe that version dependency information should move out of external indexes and into packages.

Re: [Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-11 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 11 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: This breaks a fundamental assumption for releases. When I release   something, I expect it to work tomorrow, next month, and next year. If you want this, then you can't rely on the KGS.  When releasing our   applications, we don't rely on a KGS.

[Zope-dev] why external version indexes don't fulfill all use cases for development

2007-11-10 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, I've been doing some more thinking about external version indexes (like Grok's versions.cfg on a URL, and like KGS) and why they won't solve all our problems. I have a new way to express it, so let me try it out on you all. What KGS solves is that it allows the ongoing development