[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 5 OK

2008-03-11 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Mon Mar 10 12:00:00 2008 UTC to Tue Mar 11 12:00:00 2008 UTC. There were 5 messages: 5 from Zope Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Mar 10 21:58:47 EDT 2008 URL: http://m

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-11 Thread David Pratt
Hi Andreas. I think your response gets to the heart of the issue. For software to be useful, it is often more important for folks other than the author to understand it. This can only occur with communication. Sometimes it is the understanding of edgecases in particular, that gets lost over tim

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-11 Thread Benji York
Dieter Maurer wrote: Looks at the ZODB tests. They make heavy use of multiple inheritance to compose test classes out of component test classes Good point; the ZODB tests make a great argument for using doctest over unittest. and use the same tests e.g. for "FileStorage" as well as for "ZEO

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-11 Thread Jim Fulton
I hate to add more to this discussion, but I think some folks might have some miss-conceptions about doctests: On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: ... Becuase they make for poor unit tests? Using them to document the "mainline" use cases for an API is one thing: using them to

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-11 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 11. März 2008 09:42:11 -0300 David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Andreas. I think your response gets to the heart of the issue. For software to be useful, it is often more important for folks other than the author to understand it. This can only occur with communication. Sometimes

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: ... You can also document your edgecase in the same way as comments within your unittests. This is true in theory, but in practice, it almost never happens. There is no guarantee that doctests will contain useful text, but they encourage te

[Zope-dev] Grokkerdam sprint!

2008-03-11 Thread Martijn Faassen
The "Grokkerdam" Grok sprint It was planned for a long time, but at last we are going to hold a Grok sprint in the Netherlands. To be more precise, in Rotterdam. Rotterdam will be "Grokkerdam" for the duration of the sprint! Where: Rotterdam, the Netherlands When: 30

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-11 Thread Matthew Grant
Hi! On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 20:54 -0400, Gary Poster wrote: > I did have one somewhat trivial thought. I generally prefer durations > and intervals expressed as datetime.timedeltas myself, because they > convey their meaning without having to look it up docs (is that number > value a number

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Matthew Grant wrote: Hi! On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 20:54 -0400, Gary Poster wrote: I did have one somewhat trivial thought. I generally prefer durations and intervals expressed as datetime.timedeltas myself, because they convey their meaning without having to look