On Mar 6, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Jake wrote:
I think it is a huge mistake to lose Zope branding. After years of
building up momentum behind a project, to head off into some
strange developer code speak is just going to lose people who are
not intimately involved.
The world, after many years,
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 06:51, Martijn Faassen wrote:
snip great discussion
I think we can just carry on this message.
I could not agree more. I have nothing to add at this point.
Regards,
Stephan
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On Wednesday 01 March 2006 00:33, Jeff Shell wrote:
All of these big features are neat and well. But I want less. I don't
know how to use less. There are dependencies on zope.app creeping into
packages allowed in zope.*, and I understand that more of that is
likely to happen in the future. And
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 07:39, Martijn Faassen wrote:
I know I sound conservative here, but I'm actually happy with the way
things are working now. Let's not fix what isn't broken. We can make
incremental steps to making it better, and I'm glad people are starting
to understand the ideas
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 07:39, Martijn Faassen wrote:
I know I sound conservative here, but I'm actually happy with the way
things are working now. Let's not fix what isn't broken. We can make
incremental steps to making it better, and I'm glad people are
Jim Fulton wrote:
I'd like to get feedback on two possible visions for the future of
Zope 2 and Zope 3.
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
[snip]
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
[snip]
Thoughts?
My initial reaction is:
Hey,
I have another comment about Zope 5, sparked by something Jeff Shell wrote.
Currently we have a clear path to evolution. Zope 3 evolves at its pace,
and Zope 2 evolves mostly by catching up with Zope 3, replacing more and
more bits with Zope 3 bits, which often takes considerable
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 03:58, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Unfortunately, this discussion is too fuzzy for me to understand exactly
what's being proposed. How about something concrete: will the Zope 3 in
vision #2 have a ZMI, and will typical ZODB objects have a __parent__
and __name__?
Martijn Faassen wrote:
So, my proposal would be to tone down the vision to what we have
already: a co-evolving Zope 3 and Zope 2, with Zope 2 following and Zope
3 leading (or Zope 2 driving Zope 3 forward, however you want to see
it). No renaming necessary. No change of course necessary. Zope
On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:30 AM, Benji York wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
So, my proposal would be to tone down the vision to what we have
already: a co-evolving Zope 3 and Zope 2, with Zope 2 following
and Zope 3 leading (or Zope 2 driving Zope 3 forward, however you
want to see it). No
Gary Poster wrote:
[snip]
On Feb 28, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
I think focusing on one app server and a dedicated set of libraries
would be a good alternative to two concurring app servers.
...if the single app server is based on acquisition, __bobo_traverse__
and
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I'd like to get feedback on two possible visions for the future of
Zope 2 and Zope 3.
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
- There will be lots of overlap between the Zope 2 and Zope 3
My 2 EuroCents:
Vision 1 is, I think what is happening at the moment for pragamatic and
practical reasons. Drawbacks of this is that we loose the ZopeX3
(Zope3X?) vision of cutting loose from old burdens and take off to new
horizons.
Vision 2, on the other hand (at least to me in my
On Monday 27 February 2006 10:37, Jim Fulton wrote:
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
As you probably know already, I am -1 on the second proposal, since it will
disallow us to finally get rid
On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
Of the two, this seems more believable. It also may be the best we
can do. However, I still don't like it. :-)
- Zope 5 will be the application server generally known as
Zope. It
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