Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 28, 2009, at 13:08 , Martijn Faassen wrote: What do people think about: * the idea of renaming Site to Locus I think that's a terrible name. While site at least means something to people, locus doesn't carry any meaning in the specific

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On May 28, 2009, at 13:08 , Martijn Faassen wrote: What do people think about: * the idea of renaming Site to Locus I think that's a terrible name. While site at least means something to people, locus doesn't carry any meaning in the specific knowledge

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Matthew Wilkes
On 28 May 2009, at 12:39, Martijn Faassen wrote: * Hm, I wonder whether it has something to do with local utilities. I don't think I'd make this jump. I'd not be averse to a longer package name if it made it more explicit. Matt ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martijn Faassen wrote: I propose we use the word 'Locus' instead of 'Site'. This word doesn't have a lot of connotations in the web programming world, and people can guess by simply looking at the word it might have something to do with *local* components. It's also short. I

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Matthew Wilkes wrote: On 28 May 2009, at 12:39, Martijn Faassen wrote: * Hm, I wonder whether it has something to do with local utilities. I don't think I'd make this jump. I'd not be averse to a longer package name if it made it more explicit. I wasn't primarily talking about a

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martijn Faassen wrote: I propose we use the word 'Locus' instead of 'Site'. This word doesn't have a lot of connotations in the web programming world, and people can guess by simply looking at the word it might have something to do with *local*

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martijn Faassen wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martijn Faassen wrote: I propose we use the word 'Locus' instead of 'Site'. This word doesn't have a lot of connotations in the web programming world, and people can guess by simply looking at the word it might have

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martjin, Christian Betreff: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus [...] The second plan is my favorite if it is possible dependency-wise and zope.component doesn't take on new dependencies. I think support for local components could very well be part of zope.component conceptually. It would

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] What do people think about: * the idea of renaming Site to Locus Oh my god, many -1 Motivations beyond oh my god? One reason Locus might be a bad word is because it's easily confused with Location, a concept we already have. What I like to see is that

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Lennart Regebro
zope.locusts? I don't think locus is an improvement to site. Although site is not strictly correct, it's often the fact that it is a site. Locus doesn't say anything, and adds another abstraction with no obvious benefit. A longer name is better in that case. Like componentlocation or

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread robert rottermann
One reason Locus might be a bad word is because it's easily confused with Location, a concept we already have. an other one is that in german locus is often used for a place where you sit down and use paper to clean your back afterwards.. robert

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martjin Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus Hey, Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] What do people think about: * the idea of renaming Site to Locus Oh my god, many -1 Motivations beyond oh my god? My first motivation was the same as Jens had. Lokus is such a unique word

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2009-05-28 13:09, Martijn Faassen wrote: What do people think about: * the idea of renaming Site to Locus What is the technical advantage of renaming Site to Locus? To me it looks just like a (not so necessary) cosmetic change. Fabio. ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martjin Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus I think if we really need a better naming, we should think about how everyting will fit together. e.g. application, root, site, registry, local, global component, location, container, item, etc. I don't think locus is the right missing

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Jim Fulton
A few high-level comments. 1. I admire your desire to make this clearer. :) 2. I think local configuration address use cases that most people don't have but introduce complexity that I bet a lot of developers trip over. 3. I think the right word here is local registry. I think the whole

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] The site offers a SiteManagementFolder, SiteManagerContainer and a LocalSiteManager. The SiteManagementFolder by default installed as ['default'] is absolutly useless and obsolate since the last refactoring. It's just a container, earlier it was a kind of

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Fabio Tranchitella wrote: * 2009-05-28 13:09, Martijn Faassen wrote: What do people think about: * the idea of renaming Site to Locus What is the technical advantage of renaming Site to Locus? To me it looks just like a (not so necessary) cosmetic change. Obviously there is no technical

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Jim Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus A few high-level comments. 1. I admire your desire to make this clearer. :) 2. I think local configuration address use cases that most people don't have but introduce complexity that I bet a lot of developers trip over. 3. I

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martjin Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] The site offers a SiteManagementFolder, SiteManagerContainer and a LocalSiteManager. The SiteManagementFolder by default installed as ['default'] is absolutly useless and obsolate since the last

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] Probably a rare use case or could become imporant if we use other patterns then the container traversal pattern. Do you have some ideas of using a contianer less traversal pattern? Take a look at this graph:

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 28 May 2009, Jim Fulton wrote: 3. I think the right word here is local registry.  I think the whole   concept should be labeled as advanced and we should discourage people   from even pondering it unless they have a strong use case, like   wanting to host multiple web sites with

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 28 May 2009, Martijn Faassen wrote: The SiteManagementFolder by default installed as ['default'] is absolutly useless and obsolate since the last refactoring. It's just a container, earlier it was a kind of namespace. Yes, with Grok we've been installing directly in the

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 28 May 2009, Martijn Faassen wrote: * the idea of renaming Site to Locus -1. I immediately had the same connotation as all the other German speakers. And I am studying genetics right now as well, so I knew about locus. Furthermore, I really do not see an advantage of renaming