[ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope

2006-09-25 Thread Justizin
So.. I was talking to Philipp the other day on IRC, wondering why http://namespaces.zope.org/zope Doesn't actually exist on on the intarweb. At first I wondered if it was a requirement, like for a DTD, and P says no, so I believe him. We did agree that it would be nice if something lived he

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: the machine that goes by many names, including svn.zope.org, cvs.zope.org, and mail.zope.org. I think I'm right in saying that this poor box does have apache on it and so might not be such a bad place to stick the foundat

Re: [ZWeb] Apache, anyone?

2006-09-25 Thread Justizin
On 9/25/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: > Personally, I don't care where www.zope.org is currently located, and > I also think we should replace it part by part with microsites, like > wiki.zope.org, bugs.zope.org, news.zope.org, products.zope.org and so > on,

[ZWeb] Re: Apache, anyone?

2006-09-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 9/25/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Be careful the multiple domain names, it prevents sensible cookie-based auth. For that reason alone, I'd prefer to see zope.org/wiki, zope.org/bugs, zope.org/news, etc instead. Can't you set the cookie for just zope.org? That's what I'm doing

[ZWeb] Re: [Zope] Re: Protocol question about ZopeBook typos

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Perry Smith wrote: > Wonderful documentation but there are a fair amount of silly typos, > etc. Do folks want me to open "issues" or "bugs" on these typos? > Current ZopeBook version is at http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition Please check http://www.plope.com/B

[ZWeb] Apache, anyone?

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: Personally, I don't care where www.zope.org is currently located, and I also think we should replace it part by part with microsites, like wiki.zope.org, bugs.zope.org, news.zope.org, products.zope.org and so on, Be careful the multiple domain names, it prevents sensible

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: the machine that goes by many names, including svn.zope.org, cvs.zope.org, and mail.zope.org. I think I'm right in saying that this poor box does have apache on it and so might not be such a bad place to stick the foundation stuff if it is just flat files? cheers, Chris

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 9/25/06, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, this is something Jim actually just proposed as well. OK, super. Didn't see that. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ _

[ZWeb] zope.org hosting infrastructure

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, Since we entered this discussion kind of from the side with a not-very well-titled thread, and we've been making some progress, I figure I should give a summary of the current status: * ZC supports the move to community-based hosting. * it is possible to make both .zope.org and www

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/25/06, Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately all the pieces "above" Zope, like rewrite setups, are > out of reach and only accessible by ZC. Right. So... A minimum change would be to move name servering to somewhere controlled by ZF? Yes, this is

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 9/25/06, Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately all the pieces "above" Zope, like rewrite setups, are > out of reach and only accessible by ZC. Right. So... A minimum change would be to move name servering to somewhere controlled by ZF? -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://w

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andrew Sawyers wrote: We just need to resurface the svn location of the doc and update if necessary. Working on getting it. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:38 AM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 12:05, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some > incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki > +1 on the idea, it

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Andrew Sawyers
We just need to resurface the svn location of the doc and update if necessary. A On 9/25/06 11:18 AM, "Martijn Faassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martijn Faassen wrote: >> Andrew Sawyers wrote: >>> This is all documented in subversion IIRC. Jim will know. >> >> We need to make sure there a

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Andrew Sawyers wrote: This is all documented in subversion IIRC. Jim will know. We need to make sure there are people in the foundation (besides Jim and ZC) who know. I'll ask Jim. Actually strike out 'foundation' and read 'community' in the line above. Regards, Ma

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/25/06, Andrew Sawyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The reason it should be done, would be to improve the underlying hardware. The other reason would be so that the community can manage all aspects of it's setup. If it's still like it was, then parts of the architectur

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 16:10, Andrew Sawyers wrote: The reason it should be done, would be to improve the underlying hardware. The other reason would be so that the community can manage all aspects of it's setup. If it's still like it was, then part

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 9/25/06, Andrew Sawyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The reason it should be done, would be to improve the underlying hardware. The other reason would be so that the community can manage all aspects of it's setup. If it's still like it was, then parts of the architecture are not going to be acc

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On 9/25/06 10:04 AM, "Lennart Regebro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/25/06, Andrew Sawyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There's a lot more to it then LDAP. LDAP doesn't make it hard > > For me it does. That's why I said "somebody that knows it better than me". :-) > >> Regardless, it's

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 9/25/06, Andrew Sawyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's a lot more to it then LDAP. LDAP doesn't make it hard For me it does. That's why I said "somebody that knows it better than me". :-) Regardless, it's always subjective - and it's not that hard. :) "Not that hard" sounds like a

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Andrew Sawyers
There's a lot more to it then LDAP. LDAP doesn't make it hard, it just makes it harder. The goal (or lack thereof) will make it hard or trivial. Regardless, I didn't say rebuilding everything from scratch and sorting out the 'mess'. I said if it's just resetting up on a different group of server

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 9/25/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I read what you wrote and I do not think it is trivial. I agree. I'd guess that for somebody that knows the LDAP software better than me, it might take a day or two. That's not "trivial". It's also not "hard". I'd call it ehm, "Not too hard

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 15:39, Andrew Sawyers wrote: Read what I wrote. :) I read what you wrote and I do not think it is trivial. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFF93tRAx5nvEhZLIRAuViAJ4v8D1spzt/OljuYrIk

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Andrew Sawyers
Read what I wrote. :) A On 9/25/06 8:38 AM, "Jens Vagelpohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 25 Sep 2006, at 14:31, Andrew Sawyers wrote: > >> If it is simply taking what's running and set it up on a new set of >> servers, >> it would be

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 14:31, Andrew Sawyers wrote: If it is simply taking what's running and set it up on a new set of servers, it would be fairly trivial. There's 1 or 2 zeo client servers. There's a storage server. There's cvs/svn and mail and

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Andrew Sawyers
If it is simply taking what's running and set it up on a new set of servers, it would be fairly trivial. There's 1 or 2 zeo client servers. There's a storage server. There's cvs/svn and mail and ldap lives some where in that mix. :) That's about it. Andrew On 9/25/06 7:59 AM, "Martijn Faas

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andrew Sawyers wrote: This is all documented in subversion IIRC. Jim will know. We need to make sure there are people in the foundation (besides Jim and ZC) who know. I'll ask Jim. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org htt

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Andrew Sawyers
This is all documented in subversion IIRC. Jim will know. Andrew On 9/25/06 6:38 AM, "Jens Vagelpohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 25 Sep 2006, at 12:05, Martijn Faassen wrote: >>> Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zope

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: [snip] I don't know what the schedule is for the foundation to start hosting this, but I'd argue for starting the systems setup from scratch and adding new settings then. We don't have a schedule yet. I agree that doing a systems setup with community-understood component

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 12:05, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some > incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki > +1 on the idea, it wouldn't even have to be in the same Zope instance,

[ZWeb] Re: updated zope foundation website texts in svn.zope.org

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Darryl Cousins wrote: Hi Martijn, I'll take a look at the code, to investigate whether we want to maintain this on svn.zope.org eventually. Are you a svn.zope.org committer, by any chance? My signed Zope contributors agreement went in the mail last week. Great! Faxes to Jim tend to speed u

Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, I missed this so I'm very happy Jens cc-ed this onto this list. > Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some > incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki > +1 on the idea, it wouldn't even have to be in the same Zope instance, > rewrite rules can do the s