[Zope3-dev] Re: running tests from src as opposed to an instance

2006-07-07 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: $ svn co .../trunk Zope3 $ cd Zope3 $ make $ python test.py -s zope.i18n Ah cool, didn't notice that test.py lived there in Zope 3... Now, what about Zope 2, Zope 2 checkouts ship with pretty much the same test.py script. more

Re: [Zope3-dev] What are zope.generic, z3c, ldapauth, et.al.?

2006-07-07 Thread Dominik Huber
Excuse my abscence. I'm a little busy and cannot find the time to track the list daily. Small summary of zope.generic: it's a not-yet-fully-implemented, experimental prototype trying to find a high-level-usage pattern or framework for zope 3. During the easter-sprint I decided to put the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Comment on ITranslationDomain

2006-07-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 07 July 2006 05:18, Chris Withers wrote: Well, that was one of the most useless responses I've ever read ;-) Care to explain what, exactly, you were saying yes too? Sorry, it is not relevant and can be removed. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) /

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that are poorly tested. When I fix a bug over there, do I have to work harder to

[Zope3-dev] Re: running tests from src as opposed to an instance

2006-07-07 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Zope 2 releases should ship with bin/test.py (probably Scripts\test.py on Windows). Though the one shipping with Zope 2.9.3 doesn't properly set up PYTHONPATH to include the Zope 2.9.3 SOFTWARE_HOME. Perhaps that's going to be fixed in Zope 2.9.4 which won't be

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 7/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I have introduced secondary bugs in my fixes (which occasionally happened), then a unit test would not have helped. The reason was then that the affected code was used in

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 6, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Marius Gedminas wrote: I do not think that the requirements to 4. Write unit tests 5. Merge bugfixes from trunk to the release branch 6. Wait for the incredibly slow

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Jim Fulton wrote: I think we need to be more draconian about quality. Because we are late for this release, we will need to take the usual shortcuts, however, if we find missing tests, we should report them as non-critical bugs. In addition, we should disallow any new features that would

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that are poorly tested. When I fix a bug over there, do I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:52 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Julien Anguenot
Hi there, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted that the tools we use should be better (I agree on

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Julien Anguenot wrote: Hi there, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted

[Zope3-dev] Re: What are zope.generic, z3c, ldapauth, et.al.?

2006-07-07 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tres Seaver wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no problem, I agree to have a place for such infos. The README.txt files are not good enough for give a overview because you have to checkout first or browse the really slow repos with a browser. Tell me where is somewhere and I can write

[Zope3-dev] Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and bugtracker, may provide TTW reST. There are 2 issues here: 1. That we need to warn anyone using these that there is an

[Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread dieter
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-7-6 21:35 +0200: ... If you follow the argument that untested code is broken by definition, I do not follow it. then you essentially have no fix if you get a fix without knowing whether it actually works. In many cases, I can convince myself that a fix

[Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and bugtracker, may provide TTW reST. They appear to be

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 7, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and

[Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and bugtracker, may provide TTW reST.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out