Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Chris Withers
Tres Seaver wrote: I'm OK with having "in-tree" code not use zapi, but I don't see a win in propagating all the mess out to the rest of the world. I'll also note that "janitorial deprecation" is way too common in the tree today: people decide they don't like the name a method was given, and depr

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Chris Withers
Christian Theune wrote: Why? Because we keep changing stuff and don't tell people in VERY LARGE LETTERS about it. Actually, you highlighted the wrong bit, the important bit is: BECAUSE WE KEEP CHANGING STUFF Using Zope 3, and Zope 2 since the Zope 3 stuff started getting merged in is like tr

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: this is a rant. I don't want to be destructive or disruptive, but I feel like I need to turn this up right now. Let's start with something positive: I love Zope 3. I do. I know it almost since the beginning and I see how it works out. But to be honest, I too often get t

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Martin Aspeli
Martijn Faassen wrote: > > So, my proposal for Zope 3.4: > > * have a developer_notes file or directory somewhere. > > * let this contain the developer-visible changes. > > * it should be focused on how to change your code. That's the important > bit. Motivations and such might also be usef

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dieter Maurer wrote: Tres Seaver wrote at 2006-9-2 13:03 -0400: ... I'm OK with having "in-tree" code not use zapi, but I don't see a win in propagating all the mess out to the rest of the world. I'll also note that "janitorial deprecation" is way too common in the tree today: people decide the

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: For me, the irony is that when Zope 2's development process was at its worst, this problem was at its best as there was so little change, enabling people to gather more knowledge without having to stop to re-learn their old knowledge. It is my impression that it was Zope

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Christian Theune
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Martijn Faassen wrote: > So, my proposal for Zope 3.4: > > * have a developer_notes file or directory somewhere. > > * let this contain the developer-visible changes. > > * it should be focused on how to change your code. That's the important >

[Zope3-dev] URLGetter security declaration: changing from zope.View to zope.Public

2006-09-04 Thread Gary Poster
In zope/app/publisher/http.zcml we have I think this should be zope.Public. Otherwise unauthorized users viewing an untrusted page template will get errors from a template that tries to do things like tal:attributes="action request/URL". A non-public permission is particularly

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Martin Aspeli
baiju m-2 wrote: > > This document is maintained as a wiki page, so anyone can edit it. > http://kpug.zwiki.org/WhatIsNewInZope33 This is great! It's probably exactly what we need. Martin -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Zope-3-as-a-reliable-platform-%21--tf2207550.htm

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-9-4 16:49 +0200: > ... >I for one prefer exceptions over manual error handling. And I prefer >straight-forward APIs over unnecessarily complicated constructs. But you probably would not prefer if these "straight-forward APIs" were continously changing. I pr

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dieter Maurer wrote: > Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-9-4 16:49 +0200: >> ... >> I for one prefer exceptions over manual error handling. And I prefer >> straight-forward APIs over unnecessarily complicated constructs. > > But you probably wo

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dieter Maurer wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-9-4 16:49 +0200: ... I for one prefer exceptions over manual error handling. And I prefer straight-forward APIs over unnecessarily complicated constructs. But you probably would not prefer if these "straight-forward APIs" were conti