Re: [Zope3-dev] z3c.formjs-0.2 and z3c.formjsdemo-0.2 released!

2007-07-19 Thread Darryl Cousins
Hi Paul, Hey, very smooth. Congratulations. I've committed a change to buildout.cfg removing z3c.form* develop eggs which kinda spoilt the buildout. Best regards, Darryl Cousins ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

[Zope3-dev] Problems with ZODB3-3.9.0_dev_r77011

2007-07-19 Thread Tobias Rodäbel
Hi, zope.app.keyreference-3.5.0_dev_r77018-py2.4.egg requires ZODB3=3.9.0-dev-r77011 But there might be a caching problem within ZODB3-3.9.0 dev r77011, my debug session tells: /development/Zope3/MyProject/eggs/ZODB3-3.9.0_dev_r77011-py2.4-

AW: [Zope3-dev] Re: Problems with zope3 on windows

2007-07-19 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Hanno -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Hanno Schlichting [...] Full tracebacks are available in the thread from May/June at http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2007-June/022752.html The problem is still that

Re: [Zope3-dev] Problems with zope3 on windows

2007-07-19 Thread Benji York
João Paulo Fernandes Farias wrote: Steps to reproduce: Thanks. I'm sure this information will help whomever works on this issue. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

[Zope3-dev] Re: [ZODB-Dev] Problems with ZODB3-3.9.0_dev_r77011

2007-07-19 Thread Gary Poster
On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Tobias Rodäbel wrote: Hi, zope.app.keyreference-3.5.0_dev_r77018-py2.4.egg requires ZODB3=3.9.0-dev-r77011 But there might be a caching problem within ZODB3-3.9.0 dev r77011, my debug session tells:

[Zope3-dev] Re: AW: Re: Problems with zope3 on windows

2007-07-19 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roger Ineichen wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Hanno Schlichting [...] Full tracebacks are available in the thread from May/June at

AW: [Zope3-dev] Re: [ZODB-Dev] Problems with ZODB3-3.9.0_dev_r77011

2007-07-19 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Tobias Auftrag von Gary Poster Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 15:53 An: Tobias Rodäbel [...] zope.app.keyreference-3.5.0_dev_r77018-py2.4.egg requires ZODB3=3.9.0-dev-r77011 But there might be a caching problem within ZODB3-3.9.0 dev r77011, my debug session tells:

Re: AW: [Zope3-dev] Re: [ZODB-Dev] Problems with ZODB3-3.9.0_dev_r77011

2007-07-19 Thread Gary Poster
On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Tobias Auftrag von Gary Poster Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 15:53 An: Tobias Rodäbel [...] zope.app.keyreference-3.5.0_dev_r77018-py2.4.egg requires ZODB3=3.9.0-dev-r77011 But there might be a caching problem within

[Zope3-dev] Re: zc.table.column.GetterColumn does not encode

2007-07-19 Thread Adam Groszer
Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 6:55:50 PM, I wrote: Hello, Seems like zc.table.column.GetterColumn does not encode the characters to the usual amp, lt, gt. Is that OK this way? I usually insert the result of the Formatter() with div tal:content=structure view/renderTable. That breaks havoc if

[Zope3-dev] Re[2]: problem with zope.testbrowser

2007-07-19 Thread Adam Groszer
Hello Philipp, I decided to keep the trunk consistent this time as I'm still not using the eggs. I'll wait for you (and Jim) to decide how to deal with the externals at the satellites. Monday, July 16, 2007, 10:49:38 PM, you wrote: On 16 Jul 2007, at 08:59 , Adam Groszer wrote: Yep, had the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zc.table.column.GetterColumn does not encode

2007-07-19 Thread Gary Poster
On Jul 19, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Adam Groszer wrote: Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 6:55:50 PM, I wrote: Hello, Seems like zc.table.column.GetterColumn does not encode the characters to the usual amp, lt, gt. Is that OK this way? I usually insert the result of the Formatter() with div

[Zope3-dev] Re[2]: problem with zope.testbrowser

2007-07-19 Thread Adam Groszer
Hello Philipp, Just realized that the mechanize and Clientform of the _satellite_ is pointing as external to the trunk... That looks not so good, does it? Monday, July 16, 2007, 10:49:38 PM, you wrote: On 16 Jul 2007, at 08:59 , Adam Groszer wrote: Yep, had the same idea just yesterday. But

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re[2]: problem with zope.testbrowser

2007-07-19 Thread Fred Drake
On 7/19/07, Adam Groszer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just realized that the mechanize and Clientform of the _satellite_ is pointing as external to the trunk... That looks not so good, does it? Not good at all. :-( -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.fdrake at gmail.com Chaos is the score upon

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re[2]: problem with zope.testbrowser

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 18:16 , Fred Drake wrote: On 7/19/07, Adam Groszer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just realized that the mechanize and Clientform of the _satellite_ is pointing as external to the trunk... That looks not so good, does it? Not good at all. :-( Adam's email was a bit misleading,

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re[2]: problem with zope.testbrowser

2007-07-19 Thread Fred Drake
On 7/19/07, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam's email was a bit misleading, I think. Yes, the externals point to a trunk, but it's the Zope 3 trunk and they're also using fixed revisions: I got the Zope 3 trunk aspect, but didn't check the externals to see that they used

[Zope3-dev] Re: Dealing with external dependencies

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 00:43 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Up until now we've been a bit sloppy when it came to egg dependencies. Not specifying a version number or range basically means that the code in question assumes it will work with any

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Dieter Maurer
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2007-7-18 22:59 +0200: On 18 Jul 2007, at 21:13 , Dieter Maurer wrote: ... I prefer the standard approach: I see a framework -- Zope and a large number of application components that plug themself into the common framework. The application, in fact

Re: [Zope3-dev] Dealing with external dependencies

2007-07-19 Thread Dieter Maurer
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2007-7-18 23:24 +0200: Up until now we've been a bit sloppy when it came to egg dependencies. Not specifying a version number or range basically means that the code in question assumes it will work with any future version of its dependency. Which often is not

[Zope3-dev] Re: Dealing with external dependencies

2007-07-19 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 19 Jul 2007, at 00:43 , Jim Fulton wrote: Depending on specific versions in library packages (as opposed to application packages or buildouts) is a recipe for disaster IMO. As soon as 2 packages depend on

[Zope3-dev] Re: Dealing with external dependencies

2007-07-19 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 19, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 19 Jul 2007, at 00:43 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Up until now we've been a bit sloppy when it came to egg dependencies. Not specifying a version number or range basically

[Zope3-dev] Fwd: Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.

2007-07-19 Thread Jim Fulton
See the forwarded message. I just added the following in the buildout section of my ~/.buildout/default.cfg: index = http://download.zope.org/ppix Without it, refreshing a small buildout of mine takes 2m44s. With it, it takes about 15 seconds. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Jim

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 7/19/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, Zope is quite easy on entry. Zope2, yes. Zope3? Not at all. Will modularizing Zope 3 make it easier for newbies? Not really, but with zopeproject or similar it shouldn't be more complicated either. In fact, the installation process might

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Regebro wrote: On 7/19/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, Zope is quite easy on entry. Zope2, yes. Zope3? Not at all. Will modularizing Zope 3 make it easier for newbies? Not really, but with zopeproject or similar it

Re: [Zope3-dev] Dealing with external dependencies

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 19:36 , Dieter Maurer wrote: ... Things are a bit different with external dependencies (docutils, mechanize, ClientForm, twisted, etc.), I think. They bear a higher risk of breaking stuff for us in future releases, even if they're just minor releases, because we don't

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 19:15 , Dieter Maurer wrote: and toning down Zope for an easier entry. But, Zope is quite easy on entry. To some, probably many, it is easy. At first. Then they discover the limits of TTW development and hit the wall of having to learn this completely new and different

Re: [Zope3-dev] problem with zope.testbrowser

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 19:10 , Fred Drake wrote: On 7/19/07, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam's email was a bit misleading, I think. Yes, the externals point to a trunk, but it's the Zope 3 trunk and they're also using fixed revisions: I got the Zope 3 trunk aspect, but

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 22:50 , Tres Seaver wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: On 7/19/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, Zope is quite easy on entry. Zope2, yes. Zope3? Not at all. Will modularizing Zope 3 make it easier for newbies? Not really, but with zopeproject or similar it

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 22:35 , Lennart Regebro wrote: On 7/19/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, Zope is quite easy on entry. Zope2, yes. Zope3? Not at all. Will modularizing Zope 3 make it easier for newbies? Not really, but with zopeproject or similar it shouldn't be more

[Zope3-dev] Re: Dealing with external dependencies

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 19 Jul 2007, at 20:12 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 19, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 19 Jul 2007, at 00:43 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Up until now we've been a bit sloppy when it came to egg dependencies. Not

Re: [Zope3-dev] problem with zope.testbrowser

2007-07-19 Thread Fred Drake
On 7/19/07, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Adam seems to want to work on this. It's what I suggested he should do. Three cheers for Adam! -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.fdrake at gmail.com Chaos is the score upon which reality is written. --Henry Miller

Re: AW: [Zope3-dev] Re: Problems with zope3 on windows

2007-07-19 Thread Darryl Cousins
Hi, On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 14:05 +0200, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Hanno -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Hanno Schlichting [...] Full tracebacks are available in the thread from May/June at

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On 18 Jul 2007, at 19:25 , Kent Tenney wrote: on my W2K machine zopeproject MyZopeProject fails because I don't have Visual Studio installed and it wants to compile extensions for ZODB Right. Something seems to depend on ZODB 3.9.0-xyz now and we have no binary for that (yet). Sadly

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 18 Jul 2007, at 19:25 , Kent Tenney wrote: on my W2K machine zopeproject MyZopeProject fails because I don't have Visual Studio installed and it wants to compile extensions for ZODB Right. Something seems to depend on ZODB 3.9.0-xyz now and we have

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi again. Hanno Schlichting wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I wonder, if done correctly (and I believe some people, e.g. Andreas Jung, have managed to get mingw to build binary eggs for them), are mingw-based eggs any worse than Visual C ones? A few years ago, MinGW (the native

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: zopeproject

2007-07-19 Thread Gary Poster
On Jul 19, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 18 Jul 2007, at 19:25 , Kent Tenney wrote: on my W2K machine zopeproject MyZopeProject fails because I don't have Visual Studio installed and it wants to compile extensions for ZODB Right. Something seems to depend on ZODB