Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-29 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 27, 2005, at 6:08 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Gary Poster wrote: We have at least three maintained and capable ZODB backends, with different strengths and weaknesses, appropriate for different use cases. Lets not jump to discard any of them. With current filesystem

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-24 Thread Lennart Regebro
I'm not convinced that Florent blog entry says what Gary thinks it does, but I agree with Gary on the other stuff: It should be possible by configuration, to switch out at least some parts to a relational database. The catalog indexes and metadata is a prime example of this. No, there is nothing

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 24, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: I'm not convinced that Florent blog entry says what Gary thinks it does, Hopefully you can see where I would get my interpretation, though. I'm happy to have Florent clarify on his return. This is a good discussion in any case. but

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-24 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 8/24/05, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully you can see where I would get my interpretation, though. Yup. ZODB catalog story has compelling advantages over an RDBMS catalog, in addition to disadvantages. I'm sure they do, although I'm not immediately aware of them (I would be

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-24 Thread Martijn Faassen
Paul Winkler wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Missing powerful query concepts --- Certain powerful query concepts like joins, available in a relational setting, are missing. I've already run into a scenario where I wanted to someting like this: given a bunch of

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-24 Thread Santi Camps
En/na [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrit: Martijn Faassen wrote: Missing powerful query concepts --- Certain powerful query concepts like joins, available in a relational setting, are missing. I've already run into a scenario where I wanted to someting like this: given

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-24 Thread Michel Pelletier
This is a general reply, Martijn just summed up many of the points so nicely (as usual) that I'm using his email as a starting point... From: Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry I have had some opportunity to work with the Zope 3 catalog

[Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
I recently read Florent's object/relational blog entry at http:// blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/florent_guillaume/ 2005_08_11_object_relational . It's getting a bit old now, but I didn't see much discussion (or a way to make a comment) so I thought I'd bring it up here to invite shared

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Gary Poster wrote: FWIW, my concluding sentence would have been better written as Meanwhile, deciding that a community project require an O/R back end over FileStorage or DirectoryStorage, as Florent argues, feels like a significant case of throwing the baby

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Gary Poster wrote: In conclusion, the nebulous concept of enterprise applications on Zope does not have a clear cut decision for or against an O/R mapper such as Ape. The cost of O/R mappings is not inconsequential, and the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-23 Thread Shane Hathaway
Gary Poster wrote: On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Gary Poster wrote: FWIW, my concluding sentence would have been better written as Meanwhile, deciding that a community project require an O/R back end over FileStorage or DirectoryStorage, as Florent argues, feels like a significant case of

Re: [Zope3-dev] Florent's O-R blog entry

2005-08-23 Thread Janko Hauser
Am 23.08.2005 um 20:36 schrieb Shane Hathaway: Gary Poster wrote: On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Gary Poster wrote: Argh, communication. That still could be too-easily misinterpreted, and I didn't stare at it long enough before I sent it. One more try. Meanwhile, deciding that a