Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Shane Hathaway
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:37:32AM -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: > | I have only GUI code so far, because in this project, I want the UI to > | drive the requirements. I'm thinking about the code behind it now. > > Ok. What are you using for drawing the UI? I just googled

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:37:32AM -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: | I have only GUI code so far, because in this project, I want the UI to | drive the requirements. I'm thinking about the code behind it now. Ok. What are you using for drawing the UI? I just googled for wxGlade but it seems like it

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Shane Hathaway
Florent Guillaume wrote: > Ivo van der Wijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>- Errors withing PageTemplates (and/or associated views) aren't >>displayed very intuitively either. The PageTemplate causing the error >>is usually not mentioned either. If I recall correctly, someone >>already had a patc

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Shane Hathaway
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:05:42AM -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: > | > I had started a similar editor using a Web UI. It was very functional and > did > | > all the hard parts already. I only had some wizard-like functionality > left to > | > do. I could send you the cod

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:05:42AM -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: | > I had started a similar editor using a Web UI. It was very functional and did | > all the hard parts already. I only had some wizard-like functionality left to | > do. I could send you the code, if you want. | | Thanks, but I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Shane Hathaway
Stephan Richter wrote: > On Sunday 29 May 2005 03:45, Shane Hathaway wrote: > >>With that in mind, I started working this week on a wxPython-based Zope >>3 configuration editor. Right now there's just a skeleton of a UI, but >>the UI is already designed to ease most of the things I find difficult

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Florent Guillaume
Ivo van der Wijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Errors withing PageTemplates (and/or associated views) aren't > displayed very intuitively either. The PageTemplate causing the error > is usually not mentioned either. If I recall correctly, someone > already had a patch to give more sensible stackt

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Nathan R. Yergler
Stephan -- We're using ZCML for a non-Zope application, and a web-based configuration utility would be useful. I'd be happy to look through your code and take up maintenance of it. I think it'd be beneficial for Zope 3 users, as well as our users. So please, send your code :). Thanks, Nathan

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 29 May 2005 04:52, Ivo van der Wijk wrote: > Sounds and looks interesting. I've been considering to write (at > least) some sort of zcml browsing tool, but it was less trivial due to > the ease of defining your own zcml directives (and the unknown > semantics of these "third party" direct

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-31 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 29 May 2005 03:45, Shane Hathaway wrote: > With that in mind, I started working this week on a wxPython-based Zope > 3 configuration editor.  Right now there's just a skeleton of a UI, but > the UI is already designed to ease most of the things I find difficult > when writing for Zope 3.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-29 Thread Shane Hathaway
Ivo van der Wijk wrote: > Still, this doesn't solve the masking of errors/tracebacks by > PageTemplates/ZCML -- I'd really like to see a fix for this. Rally behind PEP 344, because I think it will lead to a good solution to this problem. If I understand PEP 344 correctly, in the PageTemplate code

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-29 Thread Ivo van der Wijk
On 5/29/05, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ivo van der Wijk wrote: > > I currently don't feel experienced enough to fix anything about this > > (but pointers are welcome). Does anyone have suggestions/proposals how > > developer friendlyness might be improved? > > I think the main dif

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-29 Thread Shane Hathaway
Ivo van der Wijk wrote: > I currently don't feel experienced enough to fix anything about this > (but pointers are welcome). Does anyone have suggestions/proposals how > developer friendlyness might be improved? I think the main difficulty is configuration. Actually, the word configuration makes

[Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-28 Thread Ivo van der Wijk
Hi All, My current impression as a Zope3 newbie developer is that Zope3 can be an enourmous joy to develop with, but it can also be really frustrating. The frustration is mostly caused by cryptic or sometimes irrelevant errors and stacktraces. Several situations I ran into: - lots of zcml errors