Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-07 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2007-1-3 17:12 -0500: > >There will be an instance recipe that can generate instances that use >applications. In a (Unix) production deployment, these instances >will have their files spread around more or less according to http:// >www.pathname.com/fhs/. There won't

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-05 Thread Reinoud van Leeuwen
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 06:07:08PM +0100, Brian Sutherland wrote: > > That's interesting. As a developer, I like things to be > > self contained. Most Unix system administrators I know want me > > to follow standard Unix file-system layour conventions (e.g. > > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/). >

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-05 Thread Jim Fulton
Martin Aspeli wrote: ... Anyway - I hope these perspectives are useful. I'm certainly not disagreeing with what you're saying or with the direction you're pointing out. I think we just need be mindful that there were some good things about the past approaches as well as problems (not that you'

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-05 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 10:29:03AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: > Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:12:18PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: > >> Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances > > [...] > >> I should note that there have been a number of sucessful Zo

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-05 Thread Martin Aspeli
Jim Fulton wrote: > > I'll make some small comments below, but I want to make a big > comment to start. Zope 2 and Plone are both examples of > extensible applications. In my note, I was trying to make the > point that I think such applications have value. I'd like to > see them exist. I'd

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-05 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: None of this should be taken as any sort of edict. I'm also not trying to name anything. While I'd love to spur discussion, I hope not to start any arguments. :) On that front, I'll note that I've seen 3 patterns emerge in the projects I work on: 1.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-05 Thread Jim Fulton
Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:12:18PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances [...] I should note that there have been a number of sucessful Zope 3 applications that were not the OFS. In fact, some of the earliest

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-05 Thread Jim Fulton
I'll make some small comments below, but I want to make a big comment to start. Zope 2 and Plone are both examples of extensible applications. In my note, I was trying to make the point that I think such applications have value. I'd like to see them exist. I'd like to see them done well. I t

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: None of this should be taken as any sort of edict. I'm also not trying to name anything. While I'd love to spur discussion, I hope not to start any arguments. :) On that front, I'll note that I've seen 3 patterns emerge in the projects I work on: 1. Development: lots of d

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread David Pratt
I'll be happy to see the complete eggification - the sooner the better. The only issue I see as a possible negative is that it may be hard for folks to visualize z3's potential. AFAIK the framework approach has not negatively impacted Twisted that has some documentation and a book but no core a

RE: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread Roger Ineichen
> Behalf Of Jim Fulton > Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances [...] > Of course, I'll release these recipes when I have them. > I think that's a good idea and we will use them. Probably we write our own recipes in our projects (if we understand them). But I also t

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 17:12, Jim Fulton wrote: > In summary, I'm seeing Zope 3 applications as separate entities from   > the OFS.  The OFS application isn't something we'll use directlty.   > Instances will be instances of our applications, not of Zope 3. > > I should note that there have b

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread Reinoud van Leeuwen
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:12:18PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: > Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances [...] > I should note that there have been a number of sucessful Zope 3 > applications that were not the OFS. In fact, some of the earliest > production Zope 3 appli

Re: [Zope3-dev] Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances

2007-01-04 Thread Martin Aspeli
Jim Fulton wrote: > > Some thoughts on Zope 3, Zope 3 applications, and Zope 3 instances > I found this very interesting. As more of an indirect consumer to Zope 3 (but user of Zope 3 via Five and developer of Plone on Zope 2), here are some of my own thoughts. In the Zope2/CMF/Plone world,