--- Dominique Quatravaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Will their test click a link or open a page via the href
>> attribute?
> Click a link, definitely. The only time a URL would need to be 
> input manually would be during the very first acceptance test.

I was looking at the Open failing as a way of catching errors.  
Can't remember how it worked right now.   I think it aborts 
if the Open fails.  This might have some advantage over the 
Click in some situations.  

>> If a button has an over event and a mouse out event and it 
>> causes a form to send request variables to a target with a 
>> validate script in-between, do you want a non-techie 
>> building the tests?

> No - But OTOH I don't want to *code* that kind of app in 
> the first place :-)

I may have overstated but you might have to account for all
possibilities if you are testing other peoples' code.  In 
your tests, couldn't you hit an image button, with an over
and an out image, that calls javascript, that validates, 
then targets another page? What if it also opened a Window 
that loaded a target page?    

> Would you please care to elaborate with an example of 
> some functional requirement that you can successfully 
> transcribe into human text, but would not trust the 
> user to encode in Selenese?

It's not a matter of trust, just feelings - feelings about 
attitudes and what we do in systems departments.  A 
programming book on PL1 had an exercise that printed out 
the statement, "Let's divide the deficit among the 
peasants."  

Testing benefits developers.  It can be difficult and 
frustrating.  Good testing requires learning, thought, 
time, care and effort - maybe even budget.  If developers
fail to appreciate the benefits and put in the effort can 
you expect users to consistently take on the task without 
additional systems support and budget? 

> I tend to side with the use-case methodology: for each 
> test 

> there there are loads of CS wisdom at http://www.c2.com/ . 
> I'm pretty sure they have entire categories about 
> acceptance testing, say starting at
http://xp.c2.com/AcceptanceTest.html

Thanks for your information and questions.  I'll have to 
go through what you said carefully and may not have time 
before the middle of next week though I hope to get into 
this sooner. 

Thanks again,
David



                
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