Hi Yaron,
I see what you mean. Anyway, its just an "default option" which makes
checkbox checked by default. Maintainers may use it, or may not use it.
But, still, they should have such opportunity.
In special (maybe, very special) cases, users should watch some set of
pages by default. For instance, in my case, there are two forms (key forms)
and small group of users (lets say 10-20 people) and its very important for
me (an administrator) and for users to watch theses pages (and its no so
easy to make these users change his MediaWiki watch preferences or check
"watch this page" checkbox every time they edit these pages). From other
side, its very clearly for users, because they has been warn about it
before (in my case - in user guide).
In summary we have a) happy administrators (they can turn this option by
one line, they don't need contact users about changing his preferences or
about watching important pages) b) happy users (they already know about
important pageы and default option, they don't need change his
preferences). Everybody is happy :)
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
> Hi Vladimir,
>
> I'm still not convinced - just because a page is important, doesn't mean
> that a person's *relationship* to it is important. For instance, the person
> could be editing the page just to fix a typo - it doesn't mean that they
> now want to monitor it.
>
> That's just my current opinion, and I'm open to counter-arguments, by you
> or others.
>
> -Yaron
>
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Vladimir Kostyukov <
> vladimir.kostu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Yaron,
>>
>> Thanks for such a fast reply! Regarding pages watching.You are right
>> about default MediaWiki settings, there is no property (variable) to make
>> "watch this page" checkbox checked by default. That is why, I've decided to
>> make this patch.
>>
>> Here is my case.
>>
>> There are several *very important* pages/forms in my wiki (actually kind
>> of corporate system) and I had to make "watch this page" checkbox for these
>> pages/forms checked by default. Again, it is because, these pages/forms are
>> very important (like a killer feature of site, like a key entity). For
>> example, I have a MediaWiki-based system with data about rock bands, than
>> template "Rock Band" and form "Form:Rock Band" are *main entities* in my
>> system. Other entities, such as "Album", "Song", "Person", etc. Not such
>> important for my goals. In this case, it'd be really useful to have a way
>> make my mains entities checkbox checked by default. Its really important to
>> users and to maintainers to watch this pages/forms.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vladimir,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this patch. In theory, this sounds reasonable - and the code
>>> you created looks fine. My one concern is that, as far as I know, currently
>>> in MediaWiki the "watch this page" checkbox is never checked by default -
>>> except in special cases like that the user is creating a new page; and even
>>> for those cases, the user can decide not to have it checked by default, by
>>> changing their preferences. So I'm worried that this could break an
>>> expectation on the part of users that some page they decided to edit won't
>>> get added to their watchlist. Which is not a major concern, but it might be
>>> worth something.
>>>
>>> Could you explain why you want that checkbox checked on some forms?
>>>
>>> -Yaron
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Vladimir Kostyukov <
>>> vladimir.kostu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Yaron, Stephan and everyone!
>>>>
>>>> I've just written simple patch, witch adds support of "default" tag for
>>>> standard input checkboxes (minor changes, watch). You can found it
>>>> attached.
>>>>
>>>> Here is my motivation.
>>>>
>>>> In my project, where I use SMW/SF, I had to mark standard input "watch"
>>>> checkbox as "checked" by default for several forms (*not for all forms*).
>>>> I've decided to write something like that (regarding standard checkbox
>>>> usage):
>>>>
>>>> {{{standard input|watch|default=yes}}}
>>>>
>>>> But, It didn't work for me! I looked into sources, and figured out,
>>>> that "default" tag is ignored. Than I've decided to implement this feature.
>>>> I think its very useful, to have a way set "watch" or "minor edit" default
>>>> value for *separated form*.
>>>>
>>>> What do you thing about this feature?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vladimir Kostyukov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Vladimir Kostyukov
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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Thanks,
Vladimir Kostyukov
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