Hi,
First of all, it looks like we're just talking about the "watch this page"
checkbox now - there doesn't seem to be any demand, or strong rationale,
for having the "minor edit" checkbox ever checked by default.
Given that - with these additional explanations, I think I've been
convinced. So, how about having this just for the "watch" standard input,
and having the parameter just be "checked", instead of "default=checked"?
-Yaron
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys!
>
> This feature sounds very reasonable for me and I'll gladly use this
> feature in enterprise wikis. In these kinds of wikis the page typically has
> only one or two authors and the number of pages is smaller than in public
> wikis. So the intention to make users informed by default of all pages the
> have contributed is very close to my heart:
> 1) frequent notifications about the activity on wikipages make users mare
> involved in the content creation process
> 2) enable notifications by default is a good decision for the most
> important pages because their changes should be as transparent as possible.
>
>
> -----
> Yury Katkov
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Vladimir,
>>
>> I'm still not convinced - just because a page is important, doesn't mean
>> that a person's *relationship* to it is important. For instance, the person
>> could be editing the page just to fix a typo - it doesn't mean that they
>> now want to monitor it.
>>
>> That's just my current opinion, and I'm open to counter-arguments, by you
>> or others.
>>
>> -Yaron
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Vladimir Kostyukov <
>> vladimir.kostu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Yaron,
>>>
>>> Thanks for such a fast reply! Regarding pages watching.You are right
>>> about default MediaWiki settings, there is no property (variable) to make
>>> "watch this page" checkbox checked by default. That is why, I've decided to
>>> make this patch.
>>>
>>> Here is my case.
>>>
>>> There are several *very important* pages/forms in my wiki (actually
>>> kind of corporate system) and I had to make "watch this page" checkbox for
>>> these pages/forms checked by default. Again, it is because, these
>>> pages/forms are very important (like a killer feature of site, like a key
>>> entity). For example, I have a MediaWiki-based system with data about rock
>>> bands, than template "Rock Band" and form "Form:Rock Band" are *main
>>> entities* in my system. Other entities, such as "Album", "Song",
>>> "Person", etc. Not such important for my goals. In this case, it'd be
>>> really useful to have a way make my mains entities checkbox checked by
>>> default. Its really important to users and to maintainers to watch this
>>> pages/forms.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Vladimir,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this patch. In theory, this sounds reasonable - and the code
>>>> you created looks fine. My one concern is that, as far as I know, currently
>>>> in MediaWiki the "watch this page" checkbox is never checked by default -
>>>> except in special cases like that the user is creating a new page; and even
>>>> for those cases, the user can decide not to have it checked by default, by
>>>> changing their preferences. So I'm worried that this could break an
>>>> expectation on the part of users that some page they decided to edit won't
>>>> get added to their watchlist. Which is not a major concern, but it might be
>>>> worth something.
>>>>
>>>> Could you explain why you want that checkbox checked on some forms?
>>>>
>>>> -Yaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Vladimir Kostyukov <
>>>> vladimir.kostu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Yaron, Stephan and everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just written simple patch, witch adds support of "default" tag
>>>>> for standard input checkboxes (minor changes, watch). You can found it
>>>>> attached.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is my motivation.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my project, where I use SMW/SF, I had to mark standard input
>>>>> "watch" checkbox as "checked" by default for several forms (*not for
>>>>> all forms*). I've decided to write something like that (regarding
>>>>> standard checkbox usage):
>>>>>
>>>>> {{{standard input|watch|default=yes}}}
>>>>>
>>>>> But, It didn't work for me! I looked into sources, and figured out,
>>>>> that "default" tag is ignored. Than I've decided to implement this
>>>>> feature.
>>>>> I think its very useful, to have a way set "watch" or "minor edit" default
>>>>> value for *separated form*.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you thing about this feature?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Vladimir Kostyukov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vladimir Kostyukov
>>>
>>>
>>
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