Just to throw out an alternative suggestion since we are on the topic. What
about handling uploadable fields as there own input type? We currently have:
{{{field|Image|uploadable|image preview|default=Default website image.png}}}
what if it was something like:
{{{field|Image|input type=upload|preview|default=Default website image.png}}}
It is nice to be able to reuse the generic input type for pages for uploadable
content, but, I could see optimizations. Some thoughts:
This would allow the File namespace to be prepended automatically if so
desired, considering it a different input type.
It could allow (in the future) for a more pleasant upload experience than the
current iframe of the upload form (one of the most confusing aspects of
MediaWiki for new users in my experience).
It could allow new things like "this must be a PDF" with "require filetype=pdf"
or something.
Just an idea. It "feels" like a good direction to me. And backwards
compatibility could be maintained for some period of time.
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On May 8, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
> I suppose that's true... although in practice I've never seen values get
> prepended with anything other than a namespace. You could have a field
> containing all subpage names, of course, but I've never seen that done, and
> on a "semantic" level it doesn't really make sense to do that. On the other
> hand, maybe that simpler wording would be clearer for users.
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And also given that, a single checkbox that says "Uploadable?" probably
> > wouldn't be enough - the better option would probably be to have a new form
> > input for each template field (in the "Edit schema" form) that said
> > something like "This field always links to pages in this namespace (leave
> > blank if none): _____".
>
> Hmm. The caption you've proposed is only about namespaces now. What about:
> "Prepend the field value with the following text" ? This way we will broad
> the usecase further.
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>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
> Hi Yury,
>
> Yes, that's what I was proposing before, but I'm no longer proposing it. :)
>
> -Yaron
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yaron, I reread your idea but I'm not sure that I got it right
> Do you propose to automatically add "File:" text in the beginning of uploaded
> filename like here?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/MU31Tw9.png
>
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> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Jamie Thingelstad <ja...@thingelstad.com>
> wrote:
> Hello Yaron,
>
> I agree that having to add the namespace in the template is confusing, but my
> initial reaction to adding "File:" if it is set to uploadable is no. Perhaps
> I'm being overly pedantic, but I think of a property for a page that is
> targeting a different namespace, most commonly I see this with a User page.
> If you have a field that you "default=current user" you need to add the
> namespace to that to link back to the user page. I realize that's a little
> apples and oranges, but still comes to mind for me. Or "values from
> namespace=" which if I'm remembering right doesn't prepend the namespace,
> also requiring the template to add it.
>
> So, perhaps it is worth considering more sweeping changes that add namespace
> clarification to a lot of things, but that would probably just introduce
> equal confusion the other way.
>
> My $0.02.
> Jamie Thingelstad
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> On May 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What about my suggestion?
>>
>> I'm also curious if anyone else has an opinion on having "uploadable" fields
>> add the "File:" to file names. This would be a somewhat big change, so
>> people may have opinions on it one way or another.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For now I can just add some lines of code to the form generator: if
>> uploadable option is here it will generate [[property::File:filename]]
>> instead of just [[property::filename]].
>>
>> I've proposed checkbox solution because of the folowing. In my opinion Page
>> Schemas can be great visual tool to edit forms and templates very quicky.
>> Now the editing of the schema slows because I have to look up tag
>> parameters. More buttons, dropdowns and checkboxes could speed up the
>> editing process.
>> -----
>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
>> Hi Yury,
>>
>> Hm, that's true... I hadn't thought of that. Some checkbox could be added to
>> the Page Schemas form, but maybe the better solution is just to have
>> uploadable fields in SF start adding a "File:" to the beginning of file
>> names they've uploaded. It's something that various people have asked about,
>> but I never took that seriously - I liked the "cleanliness" of not including
>> the namespace, and just having the file name. But maybe that cleanliness is
>> more trouble than it's worth - I know that, even without this Page Schemas
>> issue, the fact that a "File:" needs to be added to the template has caused
>> a considerable amount of confusion.
>>
>> The main counter-argument might be that this approach is already in place on
>> a lot of wikis, so making a change to the upload setup would require people
>> to change a lot of existing pages; but then again, backward-compatibility
>> can't be a reason to never make a change, and the Replace Text extension
>> might be able to help with that sort of thing anyway.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> -Yaron
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Yaron, all!
>>
>> It's possible now to create uploadable fields in forms via PageSchemas: we
>> just create a Page property and specifily the field as uploadable in
>> additional paramerest. There is however an issue.
>> When I generate the templates I need the File namespace to be added in front
>> of the filename:
>>
>> [[someproperty::File:MyCoolPicture.jpg]]
>>
>> Instead I have the following:
>>
>> [[someproperty::MyCoolPicture.jpg]]
>>
>> and my image not appears on the page.
>>
>> Yaron, what's your advice on how to better handle that in a PageSchemas if I
>> want to add this feature? What about adding a checkbox "uploadable" to the
>> Field definition?
>> -----
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>>
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