So if you already are moving to where you can create triples on forms independently form a page, then I have what I'm asking for, more or less.
The remaining question is: "how to square this with annotating natural language in wiki pages." Don't know the answer to that one. If people really want to do that as well as on forms, then it is tricky. M. ========================== Michael Uschold M&CT, Phantom Works 425 373-2845 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ========================== ---------------------------------------------------- COOL TIP: to skip the phone menu tree and get a human on the phone, go to: http://gethuman.com/tips.html -----Original Message----- From: S Page [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:39 PM To: Uschold, Michael F Cc: Semediawiki Users; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] [swikig] Creating Triples Anywhere in a SemanticWiki '' Uschold, Michael F wrote: > Exactly. Of course you don't want three independent copies of the > same triple three different places. It could be in one place, (e.g. a > triple store of some sort). > If you are on a page describing the property, or the subject or object > of the triple, then the wiki can go find the triples when it shows a > page, and present them, so they are virtually in three different places. Semantic MediaWiki works this way. It parses annotations on the subject page, stores them, and allows querying so that: * You can put inline queries on pages where you want to show facts from elsewhere. * Version 0.7 now automatically shows triples using a predicate on the predicate's page, e.g. http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Relation:Written_by, and there's a code change to show triples on the object's page as well. * ontoworld.org editors quickly developed an {{ask}} template that would use domain-specific knowledge to put inline queries for relevant facts on many kinds of pages. IMO the obvious "place" for facts to live is on the wiki page for the subject in the triple, especially in a wiki where editors write natural language "born in [[Little Rock]] and married to [[Hillary Clinton]]..." , etc. that lends itself to in-line semantic annotation. Everything's hyperlinked so you can easily navigate to the subject and make edits. But as Wikipedia increasingly uses templates to express facts, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Country , then taking users to a template editor that edits triples independently of pages also makes sense. I just don't see how to square this with annotating natural language in wiki pages. A triple navigator without natural language is not appealing to an average Web user, and having to write query/transclusion syntax just to make sentences like "born in Little Rock and married to Hillary Clinton..." appear in pages is not appealing to an average wiki editor. Has anyone (besides Ted Nelson's mind :-) ) written an editor UI where you can drag parts of existing triples into sentences, and select part of a sentence and turn it into a triple? That would be an amazing solution to this problem. As you're writing about [[Germany]] you see all the existing triples referencing it and can drag them in at will, and you can create new triples as you type. Regards and pardon my abuse of ontology terminology :-) -- =S Page ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Semediawiki-user mailing list Semediawiki-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user
