On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Stefano Bagnara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>  I'm not against the stage folder. I would prefer to see a better support
>  from maven to the stage folder (currently is the best hack I found to
>  satisfy our strict requirements) but I can live with the current
>  approach. I just want a SOLUTION to this release/pom issue. I'm tired
>  that we are the only ASF project that everytime has issues in releasing
>  using maven. This is disappointing.

JAMES is an old project and some people here remember when maven
kicked off. maven has had problems with release compliance along the
way but it has a good track record of solving issues like these given
time.

>  If maven is not suitable to make ASF releases (every maven2 based ASF
>  projects depends on junit and remotely download junit.pom under an
>  unkown license from central when you build it) then I think this should
>  be taken into high priority in the ASF board discussions and some clear
>  policy written and maybe the maven PMC should be suggested to stop
>  releasing while they don't fix this critical issue.

the substantial issue is not dependency but distribution. maven may
download documents of unknown provenance at runtime but this is very
different from distributing such a document.

AIUI the download is likely to be covered by fair use and if an
infringement occurs then it is the original uploader who is at fault.
by distributing such an artifact, US law makes apache responsible for
ensuring that we have the required license. we know that we lack the
license. this is risky from a copyright perspective.

>  We (JAMES PMC) have already very big problems in making 1 release in 1
>  year I don't think we can afford also to be the first to solve general
>  ASF issues.

each project is self-organising and responsible to the members for the
conduct of it's project alone

>  All the messages I wrote in past about licensing/copyrights and legal
>  stuff prove that I'm keen to solve them and when they have not been
>  solved is because no one gave clear answers to the questions I made. I
>  cannot pay a lawyer to have answers.

apache has access to lawyers but the question needs to be clear and
one of legality not policy

> So my only alternative is to stop
> releasing. Sad, but I can accept this, now.

IMHO that's not necessary: there are usually ways around these issues

- robert

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