On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Stefano Bagnara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: > > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Stefano Bagnara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: > > >> > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Stefano Bagnara <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto: > > >> >> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Stefano Bagnara <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>>> I checked MAVENUPLOAD and the first reference about junit is: > > >> >> >> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MAVENUPLOAD-1168 > > >> >> >> And it is about junit 4.1: the submitter say he took the pom > from 4.0 > > >> >> >> and updated it.. so this doesn't help for now. IF the > original junit pom > > >> >> >> was under the CPL then probably that user was not entitled in > altering > > >> >> >> the content and submit it to the ASF and the ASF should not > have > > >> >> >> uploaded it to central (is this right?). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > codehaus is not apache. any source use from codehaus needs to > come in > > >> >> > via the incubator IP clearance. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > - robert > > >> >> > > >> >> Hey... MAVENUPLOAD at codehaus is *THE* *WAY* artifacts use to be > placed > > >> >> in central by the ASF ;-) . Or at least this is what maven tells > to the > > >> >> world: > > >> >> > http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-central-repository-upload.html > > >> >> > > >> >> I can also confirm that I have successfully created a pom for > dnsjava, > > >> >> uploaded it to codehaus MAVENUPLOAD JIRA and someone published it > to the > > >> >> maven central repository. > > >> >> > > >> >> I just repeat that MOST projects in ASF are using the poms > included in > > >> >> central and this is a big issue that is being mostly ignored, > > >> >> unfortunately. That is why I think the PPMC are not being > diligent and > > >> >> the board should help spreading this issue and coordinate all the > PPMCs > > >> >> to find a common solution to this issue. > > >> > > > >> > using artifacts from the maven repository does not worry me: > > >> > distributing artifacts does > > >> > > > >> > - robert > > >> > > >> I understand this, but I didn't understand why. > > >> If that file is under an acceptable license then we can use and > > >> redistribute it, otherwise we can't use and redistribute it IMO. > > > > > > you can opinion all you like but you're wrong > > > > > > use and distribution are two distinct and different concepts and > > > rights under copyright law. it is perfectly possible to create > > > licenses which allow use but not distribution and vice versa. > > > > > > - robert > > > > Sorry. I can accept your opinion but I don't think I'm wrong and you're > > right ;-) > > if you're interested in open source and the law then you really should > try to get to more conferences: you might learn something > > > > What I say is that if you DON'T KNOW THE LICENSE the ALL RIGHTS ARE > > RESERVED. This means you can't redistribute it and you can't > > automatically download it as part of an automated process. > > no: you're wrong > > if you don't knowingly possess an explicit license then this means > exactly and only that: you don't knowingly possess an explicit > license. you may still have rights to use or distribute that artifact: > you may have an implied license, the artifact might contain an > embedded license, a public license may be available (which you don't > know about or that you haven't bothered to download) or your legal > system may grant fair use rights. AIUI there are some jurisdictions > (for example, the UK) which may in theory imply that you need to > possess an actual license but in practice this is unenforcable.
apologies, re-reading this thread i see that i've become a little personal. i just find it very frustrating and this is a very long thread that seems to be going nowhere. i've tried to explain where there are big differences between distribution and use under copyright law and in apache policy but i haven't really succeeded. - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
