(jumping right in here...)

I won't speak for Steven, but I feel the JSP is flawed for several reasons:

1) It seems to be a direct response to ASP; an attempt to garner the support of ASP 
programmers and not really address the problem. <M$-BASH>Futher, ASP (on which JSP was 
based) was designed by Microsoft. Artificats of that design show up in JSP.</M$-BASH>

2) The whole point of a template system is to allow the clear seperation of business 
logic and presentation. JSP allows to two to be coupled tightly. In fact, I would say 
(from the lazy programmer point-of-view) the JSP encourages the tight coupling.

3) When I look at template systems, I want to be able to use templates for HTML, DHTML 
with SSL, perhaps plain text reports, maybe RTF, etc. These formats should all be 
supported (or possible) from a template systems. JSP does HTML, period.

- Paul Philion

Doug Turner wrote:
>
> I'd like to hear your reasons for saying that JSP is *fundamentally*
> flawed; my very limited experience with them have been positive, and I'd
> like to get more input.
>
> ----------
> > From: Steven J. Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: out.println(".....");? There's STILL no better way
> > Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 12:47 PM
> > ...  Packages like ECS (and IMHO, JSP) suffer the same fundamental
> > problems as embedding the HTML in println statements in the java code.
> > JSP minimizes the issue by reversing the situation and emphasizing use
> > of JavaBeans, but it's still fundamentally flawed - in my opinion, of
> > course.

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