Graham,
That's no way to talk to Bill Gates.
Brian
>From: Graham Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java
> Servlet API Technology." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [SERVLET-INTEREST] Stability of Java
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:11:29 +0100
>
>Well I wouldn't want to force any more of that sandwich down your
>knowledgeable throat. Maybe you should sign-off this list and leave some
>bandwidth to us poor remaining unenlightened folks.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard Taylor
>Sent: 13 October 2000 14:26
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Stability of Java
>
>
>
>I have been on this little "chat" board for less than 24 hours and I have
>seen enough to confirm to me that Java is a bad tool. I have never in my
>life seen a development tool that is so misunderstood. No one knows how to
>use. It is about as crude as COBOL. I have never seen anything like it.
>The lack of professional documentation should send a strong message to the
>programming community. Error messages come up and there is no way in this
>world to find out what they mean. Just look at some of the questions that
>come across these emails. I have yet to see someone answer a question
>posted. That is because nobody can say with any degree of confidence that
>their solution will work from machine to machine. Isn't Java supposed to
>be OS independent? Why does code work on one machine and not another? Why
>are there so many different development tools that are supposed to do the
>same thing? Why is it that all of these tools install and leave a
>directory structure behind that a person using a different tool can't
>recognize? Java is just a huge shit sandwich that SUN is trying to ram
>down our throats in their little battle with Microsoft.
>
>We have very talented programmers on staff where I work and we cannot get
>any consistency out of Java. PEOPLE, HEAR THIS ... no one will ever have
>success making a car that can accept parts from other cars ... PERIOD.
>There is no way that Java will ever work. There are too many variables
>involved from machine to machine to allow Java to run consistently. Let's
>take a web site that runs applets. You can bet your ass that a good number
>of people who hit the site will have an error when that applet tries to
>run. It happens every day when I get on. As soon as that happens to me I
>am out of there and you just lost my interest/BUSINESS.
>
>Even if you think you can make it work was it worth all the time it took?
>Hardly. I have been trying to get a very simple servlet to run that I got
>out of the Deitel & Deitel Java How To book. D&D swears it runs on their
>machines. Why won't it run here. I have sent numerous emails to them and
>they have been trying to figure out what is wrong but can't. These guys
>are supposed to know what they are doing. A perfect example of the
>instability of Java.
>
>How many millions of man-hours are going to be wasted on Java before IS
>managers realize it doesn't work? We need to get back to the business of
>client server programming and trash this cancer of a tool.
>
>I CHALLENGE SUN TO DEFEND THIS PRODUCT. IT DOES NOT WORK AS BRAGGED.
>
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