Hi pier,
nice to have u with us,
I am a representation of a group in SERVLET-INTEREST List (probably
exists) which are silent audience of this list.
As not being sure about our knowledge. We really find it interesting to
be silent viewers of this list.
This won't last long, when u wud find us all plunge into the discussion
and have some thing for all of us.
The list has really been an encouragement for me to make myself know about
servlets. Books available on them. Had them bought tried some
examples. Finding difficulty in the beginning having a really stagnant
start when i had problems related to class path. For which i was
astonished when got around 30 mails almost saying the same answer (shows
the interest people(in SERVLET INTEREST) have got to solve the simplest
problems of others and recently found it very much exiting when i was able
to make a small project for conducting an online quiz in an intranet for
which i had used servlets. In between had some problems receiving the
mails from servlet-interest (thought either my subscription is gone or the
list is gone) and had totally forgotten working in servlets. A fresh flow
of mails in the weeks before had again kindled my interest.
luv
VTR
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Pier Fumagalli
wrote:
VTR =>>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:52:39 -0800
VTR =>>From: Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
VTR =>>Reply-To: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java
VTR =>> Servlet API Technology. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
VTR =>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VTR =>>Subject: [ADMIN] Please Read: Community driven list?
VTR =>>
VTR =>>I received a bunch of comments about me being "on the list" lately, mostly
VTR =>>positive saying that a "moderator" was so much needed on servlet-interest.
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Well, let me tell you one thing, I never heard about this list until Danny,
VTR =>>the spec lead, "offloaded" it on me, and asked me to play the moderator...
VTR =>>
VTR =>>I started in November lurking, and posting a couple of stuff, this last
VTR =>>week, fairly enough, I had some spare time to dedicate to it, and I red a
VTR =>>couple of messages who made me see that things were not going...
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Then Milt Epstein (I believe it was him), posted me an idea, why not having
VTR =>>the policies on line, so that anyone could have pointed them out. I took
VTR =>>what Danny wrote quite some time ago, HTMLized, and posted on my home
VTR =>>machine.
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Now, I'm not here to enforce anything, I don't like to be the "ruler"
VTR =>>especially of an open forum, where everyone is welcome to come and talk, but
VTR =>>definitely someone needs to take a clear point ad say "this is allowed" and
VTR =>>"this is not".
VTR =>>
VTR =>>I spent the last 5 years of my life on open source projects, mostly on
VTR =>>Apache stuff (first JServ, then Cocoon, now Tomcat) and what we have in that
VTR =>>place is the concept of "community". Anyone can come, post code, fixes,
VTR =>>comments, ideas, and those make up a successful product.
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Our product here is "knowledge", it's a mailing list, an open forum, but it
VTR =>>seems that we're far from building a community. There are long time friends,
VTR =>>like Nic Ferrier who follow the list daily and are great contributors, but
VTR =>>we are not a community. In "Borg" terms (can you tell I like Star Trek?) we
VTR =>>are individuals, while in my opinion we should be more like a collective.
VTR =>>
VTR =>>I'd like all of you to go ahead and read the "rules" I posted yesterday, and
VTR =>>send comments, NOT TO ME, to the list itself, let everyone see what you
VTR =>>think and what you want, let's discuss those rules and improve them, so that
VTR =>>everyone will be happy with them. And when we get to an agreement, I'd like
VTR =>>to see each of you pointing out at our self-imposed rules and enforce them,
VTR =>>don't be shy to tell "hey, keep your long-ass press release out of this
VTR =>>list", or "check the archive because that question was answered last week".
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Let's try to build a community around this incredible bunch of hundreds of
VTR =>>people, and let's make this community become something _really_ useful and
VTR =>>likable.
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Also, post ideas, what you want to see around here. An example, Anantha
VTR =>>Krishnan (the guy I played 20 "Google" questions with two days ago) asked me
VTR =>>if it was possible to come up with a "code repository" of examples and
VTR =>>tools, we all have bandwidth and on-line megabytes to waste, do you think
VTR =>>it's needed? Would you like to have it? Or would you rather see a FAQ system
VTR =>>on which anyone can contribute? Send over your ideas, and if we all agree on
VTR =>>them, we can find some volunteer between us to make them become reality.
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Let's work on this thing, on Apache we are delivering code, here we are
VTR =>>producing "knowledge", we have a wonderful technology called Java and we all
VTR =>>want it to be successful, or do you want to go back and code CGI in C or
VTR =>>PERL again?
VTR =>>
VTR =>>Let's build _the_ servlet users community...
VTR =>>
VTR =>> Pier
VTR =>>
VTR =>>BTW, I'll still be the "moderator", but in case you didn't understand it, I
VTR =>>want to "offload" this job on each of you guys.... :) Money for nothing :)
VTR =>>
VTR =>>--
VTR =>>Pier Fumagalli - Sun Microsystems, INC - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
VTR =>>I'm selling my Sony Vaio Z505. Check out <http://www.betaversion.org/~pier/>
VTR =>>
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