Hello Everyone,
Like Nic, I appreciate Pier's involvement. Since Pier asked for input, here
are a few suggestions:
It would be nice if the archives could have an index of common terms for
people to search by. It seems like a number of repeat question posts come
from people who may not have the faintest idea how to find their question in
the archives. A blind search of such a massive amount of information can be
intimidating to some, particularly newbies. Perhaps an index would give
them better direction. It may also have the added benefit of giving
off-topic posters the hint that their topic is not covered here.
Also, it seems that a certain amount of mail on the list should be taken
off-line and discussed between two or three individuals instead of
subjecting everyone to it. Before you send a message to the list, imagine
what interest a message like, 'Thanks, so-and-so, for your help' holds for
the rest of us. I don't want to discourage politeness, but if you find
yourself addressing your message to a specific person, then just send it to
that person.
Happy Groundhog Day,
--Kelley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 3:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ADMIN] Please Read: Community driven list?
>
>
> I received a bunch of comments about me being "on the list"
> lately, mostly
> positive saying that a "moderator" was so much needed on
> servlet-interest.
>
> Well, let me tell you one thing, I never heard about this
> list until Danny,
> the spec lead, "offloaded" it on me, and asked me to play the
> moderator...
>
> I started in November lurking, and posting a couple of stuff,
> this last
> week, fairly enough, I had some spare time to dedicate to it,
> and I red a
> couple of messages who made me see that things were not going...
>
> Then Milt Epstein (I believe it was him), posted me an idea,
> why not having
> the policies on line, so that anyone could have pointed them
> out. I took
> what Danny wrote quite some time ago, HTMLized, and posted on my home
> machine.
>
> Now, I'm not here to enforce anything, I don't like to be the "ruler"
> especially of an open forum, where everyone is welcome to
> come and talk, but
> definitely someone needs to take a clear point ad say "this
> is allowed" and
> "this is not".
>
> I spent the last 5 years of my life on open source projects, mostly on
> Apache stuff (first JServ, then Cocoon, now Tomcat) and what
> we have in that
> place is the concept of "community". Anyone can come, post
> code, fixes,
> comments, ideas, and those make up a successful product.
>
> Our product here is "knowledge", it's a mailing list, an open
> forum, but it
> seems that we're far from building a community. There are
> long time friends,
> like Nic Ferrier who follow the list daily and are great
> contributors, but
> we are not a community. In "Borg" terms (can you tell I like
> Star Trek?) we
> are individuals, while in my opinion we should be more like a
> collective.
>
> I'd like all of you to go ahead and read the "rules" I posted
> yesterday, and
> send comments, NOT TO ME, to the list itself, let everyone
> see what you
> think and what you want, let's discuss those rules and
> improve them, so that
> everyone will be happy with them. And when we get to an
> agreement, I'd like
> to see each of you pointing out at our self-imposed rules and
> enforce them,
> don't be shy to tell "hey, keep your long-ass press release
> out of this
> list", or "check the archive because that question was
> answered last week".
>
> Let's try to build a community around this incredible bunch
> of hundreds of
> people, and let's make this community become something
> _really_ useful and
> likable.
>
> Also, post ideas, what you want to see around here. An
> example, Anantha
> Krishnan (the guy I played 20 "Google" questions with two
> days ago) asked me
> if it was possible to come up with a "code repository" of examples and
> tools, we all have bandwidth and on-line megabytes to waste,
> do you think
> it's needed? Would you like to have it? Or would you rather
> see a FAQ system
> on which anyone can contribute? Send over your ideas, and if
> we all agree on
> them, we can find some volunteer between us to make them
> become reality.
>
> Let's work on this thing, on Apache we are delivering code,
> here we are
> producing "knowledge", we have a wonderful technology called
> Java and we all
> want it to be successful, or do you want to go back and code
> CGI in C or
> PERL again?
>
> Let's build _the_ servlet users community...
>
> Pier
>
> BTW, I'll still be the "moderator", but in case you didn't
> understand it, I
> want to "offload" this job on each of you guys.... :) Money
> for nothing :)
>
> --
> Pier Fumagalli - Sun Microsystems, INC -
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm selling my Sony Vaio Z505. Check out
> <http://www.betaversion.org/~pier/>
>
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