Hi, I believe you have missed the point altogether. As any serious Java
developer AND as a consumer these type of issues should at least concern
you. First of all, what I dislike about Microsoft is that they try to
force people into using their products exclusively, and while some I'd
say are excellent products, others are not. Second of all, it's not
about hating Microsoft and not doing anything else because they have
more resources. It's about just telling those in charge of installing
Windows XP and selling it to help Java by just providing some way to
access a competent JVM. My comments on why it should be a non-Microsoft
JVM also stems from the fact that since MS isn't developing the JVM any
longer, a version from a vendor that keeps developing it and keeping it
up to date is the obvious choice.
We really should make a stand and not let MS keep on manipulating the
market by forcing us with their tantrums. They're certainly a huge
corporation, but the way to fight a corporation's whims is to offer an
alternative, even if it resides within or alongside the other
alternative.
Daniel
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Why hate MS when others don't have resources to compete with them.....
MS
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Rivera-Franqui [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:43 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Helping Sun against MS
>
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> By now you might have heard that Microsoft has decided to
> stop including
> the Java Virtual Machine in their operating systems. In my opinion,
> this is due in part to Sun's inability to see that January's ruling
> would have had this effect, since the Microsoft tantrum is that if MS
> can't have it or control it, they're either going to buy it
> or they are
> going to develop some new product to compete with it and use any means
> possible to gain a monopoly in the market. Microsoft is preparing to
> unveil C#, and Java stands in its way, so they're going to try to
> prevent users from using Java, or at least make it difficult
> for them to
> use it.
>
> I've read about three articles today about these news, and from what
> I've collected from these articles is that MS will let the JVM intact
> for upgrades, will let consumers download their discontinued and
> deprecated JVM (someday it will not be available anymore) if a browser
> goes to a web page that uses Java, and MS seems to have plans to
> completely replace Java with C#.
>
> While I feel that Microsoft's actions are more proof that they've no
> real interest in helping consumers, I'll leave my opinion
> aside in this
> email and its subject.
>
> I believe that Java developers must take action in helping
> Sun maintain
> its Virtual Machine readily available in all operating systems. I'm
> willing to form a group of developers willing to write to
> major computer
> software distributors (i.e. people that sell Windows XP) to
> tell them to
> include a CD or diskettes with a major NON-MS virtual machine for
> consumers. Also, it is needed for computer vendors (i.e.
> companies like
> Dell, Gateway, Compaq) to install a virtual machine on ALL of the
> computers they sell to companies and individuals. One strong argument
> is that in order to better serve their customers, a Java
> Virtual Machine
> is essential.
>
> I also believe that a non-MS Virtual Machine should be used,
> since C#'s
> release is near and MS might supply customers with a defective Virtual
> Machine in order to prevent users from having a competent use of Java,
> and forcing them to use C#. This sounds paranoid, but MS has
> been known
> to use similar tactics to force users to use their products.
>
> Please, reply and tell me what you think of this initiative and what
> other ideas might be useful. We should not let Microsoft keep
> manipulating the computer industry and its users.
>
> Sincerely,
> Daniel Rivera-Franqui
>
>
>
>
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