That's interesting. Now all you have to do is convince the high rollers and
feed into their greediness by telling them that they'll make even more money
- like Bill and Paul.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Weller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Helping Sun against MS
see jos.org!
-mw
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thompson, Willard (GTICCC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Helping Sun against MS
> let's make our own operating system
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Rivera-Franqui [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Helping Sun against MS
>
>
> Hi, I believe you have missed the point altogether. As any serious Java
> developer AND as a consumer these type of issues should at least concern
> you. First of all, what I dislike about Microsoft is that they try to
> force people into using their products exclusively, and while some I'd
> say are excellent products, others are not. Second of all, it's not
> about hating Microsoft and not doing anything else because they have
> more resources. It's about just telling those in charge of installing
> Windows XP and selling it to help Java by just providing some way to
> access a competent JVM. My comments on why it should be a non-Microsoft
> JVM also stems from the fact that since MS isn't developing the JVM any
> longer, a version from a vendor that keeps developing it and keeping it
> up to date is the obvious choice.
>
> We really should make a stand and not let MS keep on manipulating the
> market by forcing us with their tantrums. They're certainly a huge
> corporation, but the way to fight a corporation's whims is to offer an
> alternative, even if it resides within or alongside the other
> alternative.
>
> Daniel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet
> API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Mukul Singh
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Helping Sun against MS
>
> Why hate MS when others don't have resources to compete with them.....
>
> MS
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Rivera-Franqui [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:43 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Helping Sun against MS
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > By now you might have heard that Microsoft has decided to
> > stop including
> > the Java Virtual Machine in their operating systems. In my opinion,
> > this is due in part to Sun's inability to see that January's ruling
> > would have had this effect, since the Microsoft tantrum is that if MS
> > can't have it or control it, they're either going to buy it
> > or they are
> > going to develop some new product to compete with it and use any means
> > possible to gain a monopoly in the market. Microsoft is preparing to
> > unveil C#, and Java stands in its way, so they're going to try to
> > prevent users from using Java, or at least make it difficult
> > for them to
> > use it.
> >
> > I've read about three articles today about these news, and from what
> > I've collected from these articles is that MS will let the JVM intact
> > for upgrades, will let consumers download their discontinued and
> > deprecated JVM (someday it will not be available anymore) if a browser
> > goes to a web page that uses Java, and MS seems to have plans to
> > completely replace Java with C#.
> >
> > While I feel that Microsoft's actions are more proof that they've no
> > real interest in helping consumers, I'll leave my opinion
> > aside in this
> > email and its subject.
> >
> > I believe that Java developers must take action in helping
> > Sun maintain
> > its Virtual Machine readily available in all operating systems. I'm
> > willing to form a group of developers willing to write to
> > major computer
> > software distributors (i.e. people that sell Windows XP) to
> > tell them to
> > include a CD or diskettes with a major NON-MS virtual machine for
> > consumers. Also, it is needed for computer vendors (i.e.
> > companies like
> > Dell, Gateway, Compaq) to install a virtual machine on ALL of the
> > computers they sell to companies and individuals. One strong argument
> > is that in order to better serve their customers, a Java
> > Virtual Machine
> > is essential.
> >
> > I also believe that a non-MS Virtual Machine should be used,
> > since C#'s
> > release is near and MS might supply customers with a defective Virtual
> > Machine in order to prevent users from having a competent use of Java,
> > and forcing them to use C#. This sounds paranoid, but MS has
> > been known
> > to use similar tactics to force users to use their products.
> >
> > Please, reply and tell me what you think of this initiative and what
> > other ideas might be useful. We should not let Microsoft keep
> > manipulating the computer industry and its users.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Daniel Rivera-Franqui
> >
> >
> >
> >
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