On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Mike Cronin wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Just a clarification bud, I did not ask the off topic date question
> yesterday, I got chewed out for responding with one of the first
> answers.
>
> You stated, "Without some selective bashing this forum will lose

As Mark said, you're getting your Marks mixed up :-).
(I guess that means you missed your Mark -- sorry :-).

> focus." My point is just that, this morning this board lost all
> valuable focus due to excessive bashing which I feel is more of a
> detriment than off topic posting.
>
> I just think we should be careful about going off course due to a
> simple off topic post.

No, it wasn't a simple off-topic post.  It was the dozen or so
responses to that simple off-topic post.  Multiplied by two.  There is
just no need for that.  And it is irresponsible and uncourteous of the
people asking the question *and* the people answering.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet
> API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Galbreath, Mark
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Off Topic: Just a suggestion...
>
>
> I believe the annoyance was more with the people who answered your question
> without bothering to see if anybody had posted a previous (correct) answer.
> Your question was trivial (and, in all fairness, could have been answered by
> simply looking at the API or picking up a book like David Flanagan's "Java
> In A Nutshell, 4th ed." (which every Java programmer should have), and I
> think there were 12-15 answers (I was guilty as well, though I mistakenly
> thought I was on the struts-user list).
>
> In short, you will get more people annoyed by asking trivial questions that
> are easily answered by some cursory research than asking off-topic
> questions.  There have actually been some very good OT discussion on this
> list over the years (I remember a discussion on design patterns that lasted
> for days one year).  In other words, intelligent, interesting discussion is
> tolerated even if the topic is only marginally related to servlets.
>
> Of cource, Milt will probably disagree with me...he does on everything else.
> ;-)
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Off Topic: Just a suggestion...
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I kept my trap shut yesterday after getting my butt chewed by responding to
> an off topic question regarding date handling. I understand that this board
> exists specifically for servlets and that we should keep the off topic
> issues to a minimum, but after reviewing 20 posts of off topic, unhelpful
> and offhanded comments this morning, I feel we should stick to answering any
> question presented with as little overhead (i.e. slams and/or digs) as
> possible. Even when the post is off topic, let's see if we can get an answer
> to that programmer and move on.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Mike Cronin

Milt Epstein
Research Programmer
Integration and Software Engineering (ISE)
Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
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