Hi Andy,
This doesn't really help answer any questions or explain why SGD is
deviating from Sun Strategy (at least in my view ).
I have done some of my own digging and contacted my local Sun office
since reading the earlier posting about SGD no longer being free (like a
puppy). WRT the local Sun office, they were not really aware that SGD
had been dropped from the Solaris Enterprise System site. One sales
person did try to convince me that SGD was never part of SES - hhmm,
maybe those press releases are wrong? And, why was I able to download it
from there? Note that I also contracted for Sun at that time...
- http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunflash.20051130.1.xml
As for deviating from Sun strategy, SGD was originally part of the
Solaris Enterprise System but has since then been removed, why? "Free
software creates volumes that lead the demand for deployments - which
generate license and support revenues just as they did before the
products were free." -Jonathan Schwartz
One could argue that SGD is still as "free" as it was but instead folks
now need to contact the local Sun office for extended licenses. So,
how does a new potential customer become aware of this? Before, the
Solaris Enterprise site had a note and email address to send requests
to. Now, I can't find anything mentioning that this option even exists.
Also, it gets really scary when blog entries related to this are
removed. Well, Google cache still has it.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:i9tW6ODxCAEJ:www.blogs.sun.com/roller/page/ThinGuy%3Fentry%3Dfree_sun_ray_server_and+Secure+Global+Desktop+%22Red+October%22&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1
To me this all seems a little strange, missing blog entries, the removal
of SGD from the SES site without any notification or even a posting to
this list. Whatever happened to transparency and breaking down barriers?
So what's my point? How do people who fit into this definition
"[...] developers. Or startups. Or companies or economies that want to
build their own internal support teams. [...] " -Jonathan Schwartz
acquire and deploy SGD without fear of needing to purchase licenses down
the road? And, how do you ensure folks such as myself, who recently
deployed SGD into an environment already running Citrix get access to
the necessary & accurate information about SGD licensing and its
availability. Is it free or not? Is it safe for me to use SGD as an
alternative to Citrix and put Sun (& my Sun Sales Rep) in a position
where we can (overtime) convince certain folks to stop using Citrix and
maybe perhaps eventually buy SGD licenses if they so choose?
I only ask for a clear message. I thought this was a good one:
- http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/free_like_a_puppy
Thanks,
-Theron
Andy Hall wrote:
Sun says:
"After discussions with customers and partners we've improved how people
can evaluate SGD...
We can now provide customers with a license key for whatever number of
users they need, and for the length of evaluation they need. We simply
need to know:
how long the evaluation period should be?
how many users you need?
e.g. "we'll be looking at this over the next 60 days, and will test with
a user population of 1000."
This customer-focused approach allows the customer to evaluate the
product on their own terms and in their own timescales."
On 10 Oct 2006, at 13:15, Christopher Saul wrote:
No it's not. It's listed as "4.2". The correct version is 4.2.XXX
where
XXX is the build number. Since Sun doesn't release actual patches
for SGD
but instead rebuilds the whole thing. The only way to find out what the
latest build is, is to download it. (or wait for someone to post
about the
new release here or on the Sun SGD forum group)
Fair point - I'll chase this up.
I think Sun at least owes the public an explanation of why the change to
SGD's licensing model.
I'll chase this up too - customers would have rec'd an explanation at
the time and I thought something had been posted to the list. Let me
get an official response and get it posted here.
Chris
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