Al
At 08:37 AM 4/13/2004, you wrote:
Thank the lord for good old Web TV . Don't have to worry about all that
gobbadly gook about computers... Now how about back to club making..
Don't have a clue what all this puter stuff is and don't care to know...
:-) Another Forum maybe?
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Conversion factors
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:09:04 -0400
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I was referring mostly to the Apple equipment. We use Macs exclusively in
the school system, and I get a laugh when other teachers have to order
keyboards for $70 or a mouse for $40, and pay full price for software. There
are so many discount vendors for PC software, Hell, you can get it for free
if you are a bit unscrupulous...I'm running XP Pro on 4 computers and it
runs like Superman minus Kryptonite...and I get the systems for $1 each
through the University. I've been out golfing 3 times this week, yet to
break 100, but I'll keep trying.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mats Bengtsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Conversion factors
> I think you haven't been checking the mac market for a while. I don't
> think you can find many accessories that don't work on a mac. It's
> almost always so that it's easier to get something to work on a Mac
> than on a Win system.
> Bluetooth is one of them.
> It took me about 5 min to get my SE T68i to talk to my Powerbook, so
> that I could use adressbook on the computer to make calls.
> My friend tried to connect his phone to his PC. After 2 hours he gave
> up, he was missing a couple of drivers.
> I agree that a Mac are a bit more expensive that a PC, but it has
> longer lifespann and the cost for support are a lot less, i.e if a
> company buys Mac it's a bigger investment but in the long run it evens
> out pretty nice.
>
> It's a bit of topic but still.
>
> Now any day our courses around here open, I hope!!!
>
> Mats B
> Karlstad
>
> 2004-04-13 kl. 09.02 skrev Greg Vincent:
>
> > Sure Mac is nice....if you like paying double for software and triple
> > for
> > accessories...and if you like throwing out perfectly good monitors with
> > obsolete computers, and if you like supporting proprietary monopolizing
> > corporate greed, ala Microsoft...Apple never could find a way to open
> > its
> > code and maintain it's 6% market share...LOSERS
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mats Bengtsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Conversion factors
> >
> >
> >> There has been a lot of developments in Mac since you gave up on them,
> >> specially OS X, now in it's 3rd version. It is built on Unix and are a
> >> LOT more stabile than any Win version you could think about.
> >> When it comes to apps, I think you could find just about anything you
> >> will ever need.
> >>
> >> just my 2 ct
> >>
> >> Mats B
> >> Karlstad
> >> Sweden
> >>
> >>
> >> 2004-04-13 kl. 02.44 skrev Mark A Patton:
> >>
> >>> Sorry to come into this thread late (and I haven't seen what other
> >>> posts
> >>> there may have been)
> >>>
> >>> RK, Your on XP (hopefully Pro) and having issues?
> >>> Dave T, you're on 98?
> >>> Linux?
> >>>
> >>> For what it's worth:
> >>> I'm no computer pro. I'm a lazy man that figured I could make a
> >>> computer
> >>> work for me.
> >>> Started with OS/400 and at home once the PC launched used MS. 3.X was
> >>> OK. 95
> >>> was a disaster, with 98 being only a minalization of that (har to
> >>> rebuild 98
> >>> every 2 months). W2K was better, but much like driving a Semi
> >>> through a
> >>> tropical paradise (getting the job done but inflicting casualties
> >>> long
> >>> the
> >>> way, and not a good experience).
> >>>
> >>> Back when I was on 98, I tried many distros of Linux. Great for
> >>> someone who
> >>> knows puters and OSs, elsewise no go.
> >>> Later w/ W2K I tried again and found the same thing for the most part
> >>> except
> >>> Linux was more intuitive (ie like MAC & windows). Linux could catch
> >>> ground,
> >>> and would work well for me, but the apps I use aren't available (the
> >>> same
> >>> reason I gave up on MAC years ago. Doesn't matter how well it works
> >>> if
> >>> it
> >>> doesn;t do what I need it to.)
> >>>
> >>> Made the change to XP Pro, and as much as I hate to say it, it has
> >>> been
> >>> Wonderful!
> >>> No system issues, no my not understanding what I need to do minor
> >>> points,
> >>> etc, NO NOTHING. The damn thing just WORKS (within reason of any OS
> >>> under
> >>> constant attack)! It has just plain WORKED since day one with more
> >>> robustness than W2K or Linux ever though about, and with more
> >>> intuitiveness
> >>> than 3.X, 95 or 98. For the record, I really don;t like it's
> >>> interface, so
> >>> it was simply reconfigured to look like W2K (which felt like a semi
> >>> without
> >>> a clutch).
> >>>
> >>> I guess its just me as adoption rate is low, but as much as I would
> >>> like to
> >>> deride it, I really like XP Pro.
> >>> Word to the wise: any MS product that hints to Home, Education, etc
> >>> is
> >>> crap.
> >>> Pro is the way to go (I guess that is MS terminology for "it works",
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark A Patton
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Corey Bailey
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:41 AM
> >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Conversion factors
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Dave,
> >>> If you liked Win NT 3.5, then you will like Win 2K Pro. It's
> >>> essentially NT
> >>> 5. I use it as the default OS for the PC machines at home with one
> >>> box
> >>> still running Win 98 R2 for those apps that need it as Win 2K does
> >>> obsolete
> >>> a number of apps and hdwe that run on 98.
> >>>
> >>> At work they just changed out everything for new HP's running XP. I
> >>> hate it
> >>> and it does not interface to the Novel network nearly as well as the
> >>> Win 2k
> >>> boxes they removed.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> CB
> >>> Sorry for continuing the "non-golf" thread.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 10:09 AM 4/11/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My issues are not UNIX skills. I have been a UNIX user since 1976.
> >>>> I'm a
> >>>> fairly proficient user of things like "ksh" and "sed". "Vi" used to
> >>>> be my
> >>>> editor of choice, but the current mouse-based editors have won me
> >>>> over
> >>>> (about 10 years ago). I waited until Windows got to NT3.5 before I
> >>>> made it
> >>>> my OS of choice. (I am currently running Win98.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Like RK, I dislike depending on Microsoft. And that's on the basis
> >>>> of
> >>>> up-close-and-personal; I made a lot of business and technical trips
> >>>> to
> >>>> Redmond (and Bellevue, back in 1983 when they were only 350 people),
> >>>> so I
> >>>> know them and how they work. And I'd rather opt out -- if I could.
> >>>>
> >>>> My problem is that I use a lot of programs and utilities that only
> >>>> run on
> >>>> Windows. I haven't tried WINE. If it works well (meaning not much
> >>>> lost
> >>>> speed running some of the apps), then it might fill the bill for me.
> >>>> But I
> >>>> don't have the time to experiment with it to find out. Guess I care
> >>>> -- but
> >>>> not enough to make migration a priority.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers!
> >>>> DaveT
> >>>
> >>>
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