Re: ShopTalk: Handicaps question

[Steve \"Cub\" Culbreth]

Andy,   The issue is best handled by the Tournament Committe or Handicap Committee.  If you don't have one there isn't much you can do.  The problem is wide-spread here in Hawaii.  I haven't played in more than a handful of tournaments in the past six years because of the rampant cheating.  The times I played, I went in knowing I was going to lose.   The direct approach won't accomplish much.  We have a very little guy (anyone could beat him up) who always plays as a 19 but he is a 13.  He told me that the USGA had no control over him and that he didn't have to recognize anyone's handicap system, much less enter scores.  So we just avoid playing against him.   A gentleman's game :-(   Cub ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ruigh To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Handicaps question I should add that this guy is a nice guy.  I enjoy golfing against him in league.  He is very respectful and very complimentary to playing companions.  It absolutely shocked me that he is doing this.  If he was a jerk, it would be easier to really get angry about it.  He is a completely good, nice guy.  It really gives me mixed feelings and makes it hard to know what to do.  I hope to talk to him one-on-one about it.  It is only right that I talk to him and not just talk about him to the Pro and/or others.    We don't appear to have a committee.  It is possible that we do, but they haven't broadcast who it is.  I'm worried that it may be a guy who is the father of the course superintendent (they are not related to the owner's).  He was the handicap chairman at the course we used to play, so he may be doing the same thing.  The tournament committee is the Pro.  In fact, a couple of us were talking to him about ideas, and he is interested in getting a member's tourney committee formed to help promote the event (and other events).  This course is only in it's 4th year, with around 300 members.  Oddly, most members are very interested in tournaments, even though they are good golfers.  We need some time to build up the interest and comraderie that other older courses have.   -Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Handicaps question Andy, I think you have observed all the pertinent facts and have drawn the correct conclusions.  The kid is cheating and the Pro works for the cheater's dad.   I would just boycott anything the kid enters and ask your fellow members to do the same.  I would find it intolerable if I were forced to play in competition with him under the guise of using a legitimate handicap system.  FWIW. Al Ps. don't you have a tourney  or rules committee? At 08:35 PM 8/28/2004, you wrote: Hi all.  I just played in our annual club tourney today.  It isn't a big money thing.  The course owner's son, who is also an employee of the course, shot 77, on an 18 handicap.  I have played against him in the past.  He is a single digit.  I checked the handicap computer.  He has not entered a score since September 2002!  Heck, he plays at least 4-5 times per week.  His men's league handicap (which is kept separately for our 9-hole league) is 4.4.  I went to our Pro and asked him about this.  He said he can't "force" him to enter his scores.  In fact, the son's team didn't get to advance in the Buick Scramble because they reviewed the handicaps and disqualified them.  I told the Pro that nobody will want to play in the club championship with a "cheater".   Is there anything else that can be done to put pressure on this guy with the USGA or something?  (I don't want to get him mad.  He's built like a brick outhouse and could kick the crap out of almost every one of us.  Heck, I think his girlfriend could kick the crap out of me!)  I am not complaining because his cheating hurt me.  I was not in his flight.  I'm bugged because of the integrity of the situation.  I was absolutely shocked to learn that he has not posted scores.  I think the Pro is probably afraid of getting fired if he crosses the owners.    -Andy