comments inline:

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 15:46 +0200, Tom Hacohen wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM, William Kenworthy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>         ok, tried dim again and its working quite differently from the
>         version
>         where it was first introduced - the standard settings still
>         stink
>         though!  and I still think dimming as it is done here is a
>         dumb idea.
>         
>         fsoraw now disables dimming which is good - this was the main
>         reason for
>         wanting to disable it originally as I could not control it.
>          Either
>         something has changed in the code, or there was something
>         wrong with the
>         install.
>         
>         I am now trying:
>         [fsodevice.kernel_idle]
>         ignore_by_id = lis302
>         idle = 30
>         idle_dim = 1
>         idle_prelock = 1
>         idle_lock = 1
>         suspend = 40
>         
>         plus a default brightness of 100% in /etc/phonefsod.conf (I
>         think, cant
>         check atm)
>         
>         The idea is full brightness for 30 seconds and then instead of
>         abruptly
>         blanking, quickly dim, then wait 10 seconds to suspend just in
>         case I
>         want to use it again.
> I don't think this is a good idea, I would like to have more time in
> idle_dim in order to responsve to unwanted dims. 

ok, good idea - part of my problem is the usual everything is
undocumented in new features in shr - unless you are the dev who
developed something, its guesswork until users work out how features
operate - as is being done here.  Its only in the last few days where I
found out the existence of these settings - the ones
in /etc/phonefsod.conf not being the main ones.

> 
>         
>         In the short time using these settings, I think either 5 or 3
>         secs for
>         the last is more than adequate, and 60 seconds for full
>         brightness more
>         user friendly.
> Waiting until suspend while the screen is locked is just a plain waste
> of battery, I really don't get it.
 
Yep, a misunderstanding on my part - I'll replace this with idle_dim
instead.

> 
>         
>         Why stuff around with doing this? - because the original way
>         suggested
>         to me of disabling dimming was to comment out the entries
>         in /etc/phonefsod.conf which works, but has side effects such
>         as never
>         allowing the display to turn off when requesting cpu only with
>         fsoraw.
> Seems like you were talking to the wrong people, anyhow requesting CPU
> with fsoraw won't prevent dimming,
> you need to request display. 

When dimming made the phone unusable for me, I was asking how to control
or disable it - this was the suggested method.  And when implemented,
requesting cpu only acts like selecting cpu and display together -
probably a bug or unwanted interaction between different parts of the
software.


> 
>         
>         So yes, I am now using dimming, but not because I want to, but
>         because
>         the phone wont work properly without it :(
> asking CPU should not prevent the screen from dimming. 
> I don't really get what you are talking about, please elaborate.
see above
>         
>         Why didnt I raise a bug - because I asked about it on irc (I
>         think) and
>         was told it was not going to be changed so put up with it -
>         which I read
>         as raise all the bugs you like - were not changing anything.
> We are not going to disable dimming (unless you present valid
> arguments agains it), but you are more than 
> welcomed to report bugs about faulty behavior when using dim. 

You might not want to remove dimming - and I would not either as a
feature for the community.  However, personally I find it a useless,
annoying usability killer that I cannot see the point of, and so dont
want.  Now I have found some settings where it is effectively disabled,
its not such a problem anymore.  Its about choice to run the phone in
the way I want to, not have it operate in a way where its almost
unusable because the settings are designed for a different environment,
use case and individual and couldnt be changed.

> 
>         
>         Yes, I am pissed off at dimming, and I cant see any reason for
>         it.
> I really don't get you, please explain. 
> 
see above - for me, its why have dimming at all - it doesnt accomplish
anything useful - quite the contrary in fact, its harmful (with the
standard settings).

>         
>         BillK
>         
>         
>         
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tom.
> 
-- 
William Kenworthy <[email protected]>
Home in Perth!

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