tim,

i see where some confusion might come from

> I am not sure how many big ISPs / LIRs follow this discussion, but I
> expect that there commercial contractual concerns exist regarding this
> and I highly doubt that such companies will follow this document's
> advice, just because it's a standard.

i know rirs like to speak for their members, but this document was
written by one of them :)

as a large isp, we serve a fair number of smaller isps.  i specifically
had in mind the circumstance where one of our customers failed and their
child needed support.  we're engineers, and our primary concern is that 
the packets get delivered.

indeed, the contractual concerns you raise are specifically why one may
not want to disturb the child's cert while seeing that the grandchild's
packets are delivered.

i also have concern that rirs are not seeing the needs of the community,
which includes the grandchildren (even though you do not rent integers
to them directly).

the issue here is operational packet delivery, not rir policy.

randy
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