Sam,

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015, Stephen Kent wrote:

So, unless the folks who volunteered to assume responsibility for the doc (all of whom were already listed as co-authors) are prepared to do a much better job in addressing these shortcomings, I object to continuing with this work.

It sounds like you're objecting to the work because the editors of this WG draft have been insufficiently responsive to your criticisms.
Non-responsive to specific suggested changes and noted technical flaws would be more accurate.

That sounds like a WG management issue, and I am disappointed that you would ask the WG to abandon useful work because of it.
Perhaps you have not been following this thread closely. Geoff said that he didn't want to continue as document editor, and that triggered the call by thew WG chairs as to whether the doc should die. I didn't initiate that question; I replied to it.
I take the view that document editors have been given the task of documenting the consensus of a WG. If you think the editors aren't documenting consensus correctly or are just doing a poor job with the writing, take it up with the chairs. It might be helpful to recruit some alternative editors, particularly ones who don't seem to have a strong bias re: the topic - finding good document editors is a persistent problem in many WGs. At the same time, recognize that if you're too far in the rough (which you might be), your own criticisms may not result in changes to the doc.
Several folks who were listed as co-authors have offered to assume responsibility for the doc, so the "recruiting" task seems to have been done, at the behest of the WG chairs. As for their bias, I think they have an opportunity to revise the document in a way to avoid a perception of a strong bias, and they should be given a chance to do so.

If I am in the rough, perhaps it's because I am one of the very few people who take time to read docs like this, in detail. I recall that Chris admitted, at the mic, that he had not read the adverse actions I-D, so I don't know if he also didn't read (or read carefully) the validation reconsidered doc. I get the sense that folks often express support for a doc based on a slide presentation, rather that reading the doc. Its a problem in many WGs, and this one probably is not an exception.

Steve

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