Thank you very much Satoru-san for your report from the Japan Open Policy Forum Steering Team

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On 2 Sep 2019, at 21:39, Satoru Tsurumaki wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

I am Satoru Tsurumaki from Japan Open Policy Forum Steering Team.
I would like to share a feedback in our community for prop-132, based
on a meeting we organized on 21th Aug to discuss these proposals.
Please note that these discussion is based on the first Proposal, prop-132-0001.

Many participants basically support this proposal.
But If an incorrect ROA is created due to a miss-operation or
unexpected trouble, not only the quality of the network will be
degraded, but it may adversely affect the deployment of RPKI in this
community. We hope careful deployment such as having a sufficient test
period if this proposal reach consensus.

Best Regards,

Satoru Tsurumaki

2019年8月9日(金) 19:02 Sumon Ahmed Sabir <>:

Dear SIG members,

The proposal "prop-132-v001: AS0 for Bogons" has been sent to
the Policy SIG for review.

It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 48 in
Chiang Mai, Thailand on Thursday, 12 September 2019.

We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
before the meeting.

The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
express your views on the proposal:

  - Do you support or oppose this proposal?
  - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
    tell the community about your situation.
  - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
  - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
  - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more

Information about this proposal is available at:


Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
APNIC Policy SIG Chairs


prop-132-v001: AS0 for Bogons


Proposer: Aftab Siddiqui

1. Problem statement
Bogons are defined in RFC3871, A "Bogon" (plural: "bogons") is a packet with an IP source address in an address block not yet allocated by IANA or the Regional Internet Registries (ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC, AFRINIC and LACNIC) as well as all addresses reserved for private or special use by
RFCs.  See [RFC3330] and [RFC1918].

As of now, there are 287 IPv4 bogons and 73 IPv6 bogons in the global
routing table. In the past, several attempts have been made to filter
out such bogons through various methods such as static filters and updating
them occasionally but it is hard to keep an up to date filters,
TeamCymru and
CAIDA provides full bogon list in text format to update such filters.
also provides bogon BGP feed where they send all the bogons via a BGP
which then can be discarded automatically. Beside all these attempts the
of Bogon Advertisement hasn't be resolved so far.

2. Objective of policy change
The purpose of creating AS0 (zero) ROAs for unallocated address space by
is to resolve the issue of Bogon announcement. When APNIC issues an AS0
ROA for
unallocated address space in its bucket then it will be marked as
“Invalid” if
someone tries to advertise the same address space.

Currently, in the absence of any ROA, these bogons are marked as
“NotFound”. Since
many operators have implemented ROV and either planning or already
discarding “Invalid”
then all the AS0 ROAs which APNIC will create for unallocated address
space will be
discarded as well.

3. Situation in other regions
No such policy in any region at the moment.

4. Proposed policy solution
APNIC will create AS0(zero) ROAs for all the unallocated address space
in its bucket
(IPv4 and IPv6). Any resource holder can create AS0 (zero) ROAs for the
resources they
have under their account.

A ROA is a positive attestation that a prefix holder has authorised an
AS to originate a
route for this prefix whereas, a ROA for the same prefixes with AS0
(zero) origin shows
negative intent from the resource holder that they don't want to
advertise the prefix(es)
at this point but they are the rightful custodian.

Only APNIC has the authority to create ROAs for address space not yet
allocated to the members
and only APNIC can issue AS0 (zero) ROAs. Once they ROA is issued and
APNIC wants to allocate
the address space to its member, simply they can revoke the ROA and
delegate the address space
to members. (this proposal doesn't formulate operational process).

5. Advantages / Disadvantages
Those implementing ROV globally and discarding the invalids will be able
to discard bogons from
APNIC region automatically.

No apparent disadvantage

6. Impact on resource holders
No impact to APNIC or respective NIR resource holders not implementing
ROV. Those implementing
ROV and discarding the invalids will not see any bogons in their routing

7. References
RFC6483 -
RFC6491 -
RFC7607 -
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