Hi Vivek, Whether the recovered historical segments will go to IANA pool ? As per this url, https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-historical-resources/returned-ipv4-address-space/ , multiple legacy segments were returned back to IANA by APNIC.
So whether there was a policy to return the recovered historical pool to IANA ? Regards, Gaurav On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 15:02, Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Gaurav, > > > > 1. The 700,000 IPs we reserved in Feb 2023 were reclaimed by APNIC under > policy. Most of those custodians no longer operate and we were unable to > make contact with them. > > > > 2. We are in contact with the custodians of most of the pending 2 million > unclaimed historical resources and are assisting them with the claim > process. We will be sending them final reminders after which we intend to > reserve those resources. > > > > 3. Custodians of historical resources need to pay the Associate Fee of AUD > 500 per annum from the time they open their APNIC account. > > > > https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change > > > > Thanks > > Vivek > > > > *From: *Gaurav Kansal <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 5:50 pm > *To: *Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> > *Cc: *[email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation > from /23 to /24 > > Hi Vivek, > > > > Thanks for the info. > > Just a few more questions (don't mind the too many questions from my side) > - > > > > 1. Whether the 700,000 addresses which were added under the reserved > category in Feb 2023, were returned by the members Or apnic claimed them on > their own based on Historical resource policy? > > 2. If 700,000 addresses were claimed by APNIC based on historical resource > policy then what was the reason for re-claiming only those 700,000 > addresses and not the complete historical range including 2M which is still > in the available/allocated category? > > 3. Whether the historical resource holders pay to apnic regularly or > aren't paying at all? If they didn't pay in the past and now the resource > holder asks to claim back the resource, whether dues will be charged from > the beginning itself or the current year? > > > > Regards, > > Gaurav > > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 12:09, Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Gaurav, > > > > They are currently marked as allocated/assigned. > > > > Thanks > > Vivek > > > > *From: *Gaurav Kansal <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 4:23 pm > *To: *Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> > *Cc: *Sanjeev Gupta <[email protected]>, Rajesh Chharia <[email protected]>, > [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation > from /23 to /24 > > So, are those 2 million in the available/allocated category in apnic > public database ? or in any other specific one or not in a public database > at all ? > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 11:48, Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Gaurav, > > > > Over 2 million historical IPs have still not been claimed under an APNIC > account. At this stage it's hard to say how many of these will get reserved > but we will share the stats at APNIC 56. It's worth noting that even after > these resources are marked as reserved, the custodians have 12 months to > prove custodianship and claim them. > > > > Thanks > > Vivek > > > > *From: *Gaurav Kansal <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 2:15 pm > *To: *Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> > *Cc: *Sanjeev Gupta <[email protected]>, Rajesh Chharia <[email protected]>, > [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation > from /23 to /24 > > In 2022, there were IPv4 2247 allocations and a total of 10,41,408 IPs > were allocated. In 2023 to date, there are 1061 allocations and 4,71,296 > IPs are allocated. > > Currently, 12,97,664 IPs are marked as reserved in the APNIC database. > With the current pace, these segments will last for roughly 15-18 months, > without any further recovery of IP segments (the secretariat can share > their views about the possibility of further recovery). > > > > With this policy and the current pace of allocation (i.e., around 2250 > allocations per year ), the reserved segments will last for 24-30 months. > But this policy can push for the current member organisations to grab their > /23 segments immediately (as per the current 103/8 policy) and can lead to > the depletion of IPs way before, like the way urgency was seen at the time > of implementation of 103/8 policy. > > > > Regards, > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 at 06:31, Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > When APNIC reclaims IPv4 addresses as a result of account closures or > voluntary returns, they go through a quarantine period for 12 months during > which they are marked as reserved. After 12 months we change the status of > those resources to 'Available' so they can be delegated to Members again. > Based on recent recycling stats, in average we are recycling around 9,000 > addresses a month. > > > > As you may be aware, from this year we have started reserving unclaimed > historical IPv4 space as part of implementing the EC Resolution 2021-12. > > > > > https://2023.apricot.net/assets/files/APPS314/apricot2023productsa_1677543743.pdf > <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F2023.apricot.net%2Fassets%2Ffiles%2FAPPS314%2Fapricot2023productsa_1677543743.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cabcd1012f6fd43fdc9eb08db8e761550%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C638260410484744001%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tZnOt2533oDtV3OCyS2NofMeXR4%2F6lwMwJ3jvQWEao8%3D&reserved=0> > > > > Around 700,000 IPv4 addresses were reserved in February this year. As per > policy 4.3. Claiming and re-delegating historical resources, these reserved > addresses won't be made available for delegation until February 2024 by > which time the outcome of this policy proposal may already be determined. > > > > Thanks > > Vivek > > > > *From: *Sanjeev Gupta <[email protected]> > *Date: *Monday, 24 July 2023 at 6:29 pm > *To: *Rajesh Chharia <[email protected]> > *Cc: *G <[email protected]>, [email protected] < > [email protected]> > *Subject: *[sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation > from /23 to /24 > > Wait, you can do that? > > > > Well, I would like to request the APNIC EC for a /12 (although I am not > greedy, will take a /18 if they are a bit short this week). Is there a > form for this? Online? https://my.apnic/net/forms/O_PONY.html > <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.apnic%2Fnet%2Fforms%2FO_PONY.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cabcd1012f6fd43fdc9eb08db8e761550%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C638260410484744001%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=W4UgoMO43%2FywEXFxls%2F3fzVgtuMKKfAbNZ1QXc1yC88%3D&reserved=0> > doesn't work for me. > > > > But seriously, I hope someone said no, and documented it, or a few years > from now AFRINIC members will be watching our proceedings. > > > > -- > Sanjeev Gupta > +65 98551208 http://sg.linkedin.com/in/ghane > <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsg.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fghane&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cabcd1012f6fd43fdc9eb08db8e761550%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C638260410484744001%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=UvkdG%2FJF6PilKEg1I0%2Bs%2BkoxajBbgT3xU3AuEorK0bA%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:21 PM Rajesh Chharia <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, > > I have requested APNIC EC to put a temporary halt on moving the resources > from the reserve to available till this proposal outcome is determined. > > Regards > Rajesh Chharia > > > On 24-Jul-2023, at 05:30, G <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Returned/Reclaimed IP segments remains in 'Reserved' category for only > one year (APNIC secretariat can correct me, if i am wrong) . Before the > depletion of 'Available' pool, most of the current segments under > 'Reserved' pool will already be moved to 'Available' category. > > > > So, whether the policy authors wants to not to move the 'Reserved' pool > in 'Available' category or this policy will only applies on the segments > available in 'Reserved' pool at the time of depletion of 'available' one ? > > _______________________________________________ > > SIG-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > SIG-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > >
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