Hi Gaurav, The IP addresses listed on that page were voluntarily returned historical addresses. We returned them to IANA as part of prop-097 Global Policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA.
The IANA recovered IPv4 pool now only has three /24 available prefixes and APNIC does not return any more IPv4 addresses to them. https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-recovered-address-space/ipv4-recovered-address-space.xhtml <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-recovered-address-space/ipv4-recovered-address-space.xhtml> Thanks Vivek From: Gaurav Kansal <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 8:15 pm To: Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation from /23 to /24 Hi Vivek, Whether the recovered historical segments will go to IANA pool ? As per this url, https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-historical-resources/returned-ipv4-address-space/ <https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-historical-resources/returned-ipv4-address-space/> , multiple legacy segments were returned back to IANA by APNIC. So whether there was a policy to return the recovered historical pool to IANA ? Regards, Gaurav On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 15:02, Vivek Nigam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Gaurav, 1. The 700,000 IPs we reserved in Feb 2023 were reclaimed by APNIC under policy. Most of those custodians no longer operate and we were unable to make contact with them. 2. We are in contact with the custodians of most of the pending 2 million unclaimed historical resources and are assisting them with the claim process. We will be sending them final reminders after which we intend to reserve those resources. 3. Custodians of historical resources need to pay the Associate Fee of AUD 500 per annum from the time they open their APNIC account. https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change <_blank> Thanks Vivek From: Gaurav Kansal <[email protected] <_blank>> Date: Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 5:50 pm To: Vivek Nigam <[email protected] <_blank>> Cc: [email protected] <_blank> <[email protected] <_blank>> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation from /23 to /24 Hi Vivek, Thanks for the info. Just a few more questions (don't mind the too many questions from my side) - 1. Whether the 700,000 addresses which were added under the reserved category in Feb 2023, were returned by the members Or apnic claimed them on their own based on Historical resource policy? 2. If 700,000 addresses were claimed by APNIC based on historical resource policy then what was the reason for re-claiming only those 700,000 addresses and not the complete historical range including 2M which is still in the available/allocated category? 3. Whether the historical resource holders pay to apnic regularly or aren't paying at all? If they didn't pay in the past and now the resource holder asks to claim back the resource, whether dues will be charged from the beginning itself or the current year? Regards, Gaurav On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 12:09, Vivek Nigam <[email protected] <_blank>> wrote: Hi Gaurav, They are currently marked as allocated/assigned. Thanks Vivek From: Gaurav Kansal <[email protected] <_blank>> Date: Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 4:23 pm To: Vivek Nigam <[email protected] <_blank>> Cc: Sanjeev Gupta <[email protected] <_blank>>, Rajesh Chharia <[email protected] <_blank>>, [email protected] <_blank> <[email protected] <_blank>> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation from /23 to /24 So, are those 2 million in the available/allocated category in apnic public database ? or in any other specific one or not in a public database at all ? On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 11:48, Vivek Nigam <[email protected] <_blank>> wrote: Hi Gaurav, Over 2 million historical IPs have still not been claimed under an APNIC account. At this stage it's hard to say how many of these will get reserved but we will share the stats at APNIC 56. It's worth noting that even after these resources are marked as reserved, the custodians have 12 months to prove custodianship and claim them. Thanks Vivek From: Gaurav Kansal <[email protected] <_blank>> Date: Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 2:15 pm To: Vivek Nigam <[email protected] <_blank>> Cc: Sanjeev Gupta <[email protected] <_blank>>, Rajesh Chharia <[email protected] <_blank>>, [email protected] <_blank> <[email protected] <_blank>> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation from /23 to /24 In 2022, there were IPv4 2247 allocations and a total of 10,41,408 IPs were allocated. In 2023 to date, there are 1061 allocations and 4,71,296 IPs are allocated. Currently, 12,97,664 IPs are marked as reserved in the APNIC database. With the current pace, these segments will last for roughly 15-18 months, without any further recovery of IP segments (the secretariat can share their views about the possibility of further recovery). With this policy and the current pace of allocation (i.e., around 2250 allocations per year ), the reserved segments will last for 24-30 months. But this policy can push for the current member organisations to grab their /23 segments immediately (as per the current 103/8 policy) and can lead to the depletion of IPs way before, like the way urgency was seen at the time of implementation of 103/8 policy. Regards, Gaurav On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 at 06:31, Vivek Nigam <[email protected] <_blank>> wrote: Hi all, When APNIC reclaims IPv4 addresses as a result of account closures or voluntary returns, they go through a quarantine period for 12 months during which they are marked as reserved. After 12 months we change the status of those resources to 'Available' so they can be delegated to Members again. Based on recent recycling stats, in average we are recycling around 9,000 addresses a month. As you may be aware, from this year we have started reserving unclaimed historical IPv4 space as part of implementing the EC Resolution 2021-12. https://2023.apricot.net/assets/files/APPS314/apricot2023productsa_1677543743.pdf <_blank> Around 700,000 IPv4 addresses were reserved in February this year. As per policy 4.3. Claiming and re-delegating historical resources, these reserved addresses won't be made available for delegation until February 2024 by which time the outcome of this policy proposal may already be determined. Thanks Vivek From: Sanjeev Gupta <[email protected] <_blank>> Date: Monday, 24 July 2023 at 6:29 pm To: Rajesh Chharia <[email protected] <_blank>> Cc: G <[email protected] <_blank>>, [email protected] <_blank> <[email protected] <_blank>> Subject: [sig-policy] Re: Prop-152-v001: Reduce the IPv4 delegation from /23 to /24 Wait, you can do that? Well, I would like to request the APNIC EC for a /12 (although I am not greedy, will take a /18 if they are a bit short this week). Is there a form for this? Online? https://my.apnic/net/forms/O_PONY.html <_blank> doesn't work for me. But seriously, I hope someone said no, and documented it, or a few years from now AFRINIC members will be watching our proceedings. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://sg.linkedin.com/in/ghane <_blank> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:21 PM Rajesh Chharia <[email protected] <_blank>> wrote: Dear Gaurav, I have requested APNIC EC to put a temporary halt on moving the resources from the reserve to available till this proposal outcome is determined. Regards Rajesh Chharia > On 24-Jul-2023, at 05:30, G <[email protected] <_blank>> wrote: > > Returned/Reclaimed IP segments remains in 'Reserved' category for only one > year (APNIC secretariat can correct me, if i am wrong) . Before the depletion > of 'Available' pool, most of the current segments under 'Reserved' pool will > already be moved to 'Available' category. > > So, whether the policy authors wants to not to move the 'Reserved' pool in > 'Available' category or this policy will only applies on the segments > available in 'Reserved' pool at the time of depletion of 'available' one ? > _______________________________________________ > SIG-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ <_blank> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] <_blank> > _______________________________________________ SIG-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ <_blank> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] <_blank>
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