> On Dec 20, 2023, at 03:40, Christopher Hawker <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>>> My problem still lies with the community not accepting prefixes longer than 
>>> a /24 for global routability. We can't prevent IXPs with prefixes longer 
>>> than a /24 from routing their prefixes, when those with shorter than or 
>>> equal to a /24 can. It's either all can, or none can.
>> My problem is with the whole idea that RIRs should be issuing IPv4 prefixes 
>> longer than /24 in a misguided effort to extend the “useful” life of IPv4.
> 
> I don't believe it's misguided at all. There is no technical or policy-based 
> reason as to why longer prefixes cannot be delegated or routed. Back in the 
> AUNIC and early APNIC days, much shorter delegations were being made, when 
> exhaustion wasn't thought about (or at least considered), and this was the 
> norm. Why can /25 prefixes not be considered the new norm for resource 
> delegations?

Longer prefixes are misguided for a number of reasons, but I was’t referring to 
that.

I was calling the idea of deluding ourselves into believing that the useful 
lifetime of IPv4 can be extended by these ever increasing extreme measures 
misguided.

>>>> RIRs should not be in the business of dictating routing policy to anyone.
>>> APNIC does not "dictate" how we can and cannot route resources, the 
>>> community defines policy (see the PDP). APNIC simply facilitates this 
>>> process.
>> Permit me to rephrase…
>> Routing Policy should be out of scope for RIR policies.
> 
> Again, members define policy (be it a routing policy or otherwise). If a 
> community member presents a policy about the routability of prefixes longer 
> than a /24 at an open policy meeting and it reaches consensus with the wider 
> community, why should we not accept it? RIRs do so much more than just 
> administering addresses and if that's all they did, I believe the internet 
> would not be the way that it is today.

Well, at least in the ARIN region, there is a concept of scope of the PDP and 
policy proposals which are out of scope are rejected out of hand.

YMMV.

Owen

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