> On Dec 20, 2023, at 16:33, Christopher Hawker <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Longer prefixes are misguided for a number of reasons, but I was’t referring 
>> to that.
>> I was calling the idea of deluding ourselves into believing that the useful 
>> lifetime of IPv4 can be extended by these ever increasing extreme measures 
>> misguided.
> 
> This is starting to digress from the original purpose of this discussion, so 
> I'll keep it short. Using longer prefixes is by no means delusional, rather 
> it is significantly beneficial in allowing smaller and newer network 
> operators to establish more than two points of presence, and it most 
> certainly prevents wastage at IXes.

I never said longer prefixes were delusional. Misguided, yes. Ill-advised, yes. 
Delusional, no.
Believing that we can keep extending the useful life of IPv4 by such 
shenanigans, OTOH, is delusional.

>>> Again, members define policy (be it a routing policy or otherwise). If a 
>>> community member presents a policy about the routability of prefixes longer 
>>> than a /24 at an open policy meeting and it reaches consensus with the 
>>> wider community, why should we not accept it? RIRs do so much more than 
>>> just administering addresses and if that's all they did, I believe the 
>>> internet would not be the way that it is today.
>> Well, at least in the ARIN region, there is a concept of scope of the PDP 
>> and policy proposals which are out of scope are rejected out of hand.
> 
> Unfortunately I do not know enough about ARIN's PDP so I'm probably not the 
> best person to comment on this specifically.

Happy to answer any questions you may have. I spent nearly 15 years as a member 
of the ARIN AC.

Owen

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