Actually, I'm not worried about TV + CRT simultaneously.  What I need is 2 
CRT's with one desktop, be able to drag windows between them (KDE is my 
WM/desktop) on a regular basis w/ Xinerama.  I would not be using the TV at 
the same time as the rest of the setup, or would want it to be a seperate 
desktop.  I just figured since I'm planning to buy a new board, a TV-out 
would be nice for the occasional divx.

Another q:
Most of the radeons I've seen have 1 flat panel, 1 crt, 1 tv.  Can you 
convert the flat panel to a regular CRT?

Patrick

On Tuesday 26 February 2002 04:57 pm, Chun-Chi Jonathan Chen wrote:
> Hi,
>       I have been on the list for a couple years now, but I rarely join
> our wonderful discussions (okay I am so lazy).  I think this is my first
> post in a year? ;)
>
>       Austin, my question is that are you running two distinct x-server
> processes on two crts?  Or are you extending your current desktop onto
> another one (which means 1 x-server process).  I will be interested to
> know how you accomplish the first one.  Probably (two framebuffers?)
>
>       The first approach creates one large [non-regular] resolution, say
> 2048x768.  The first crt will occupy left 1024x768 and the second crt will
> occupy the right 1024x768.  Having two cards with same capability will
> make things a lot easier.  On my box, I have a low-end, salvaged S3 card
> with 1MB vmem.  One thing Xinerama makes you to do (at least I don't have
> a solution for it) is to have both crts running the same depth.  So what
> happened is that I can't get 2048x768 working.  You will have to calculate
> before hand how big do you want your geometry look like.  So I have
>
> +---------------+-+-+-+-+-+-+767
>
> |               +-+-+-+-+-+-+ 480
>
> +---------------+-----------+  0
>
> 0              1023     1023+640
>
> The shaded area is not displayable.  You can set the virtual size to a big
> one and be able to use that area but I wouldn't recommend it cuz last time
> I try it will segv fault my mplayer.  You want to have the virtual size as
> the same as above (1024+640x768), then you window manager will be prone to
> problems.
>
> With some creativity, you can move the smaller res on top of the large one
> or any direction yout want.  I find this arragement works well for me.
>
> You can get greedy, and I am not sure if I got it working or not, is that
> you can chain 3 screens together in the following order: (on top of
> normal, geforce2 mx tv out) -> (normal, geforce2mx crt out) -> (to the
> right of normal, ati-radeon).  I don't have a second montior to test my
> setting but I bet chances that it works is great.
>
> Here is a problem, I am yet to figure out how to switch my core-mouse0 and
> core-keyboard0 gracefully between screens.  When I enable full screen on
> the TV (640x480) it will lock my core-inputs until I quit the movie.
> Not helpful right?  My goal is like yours, Patrick, to play divx on TV and
> edit my files on my crt.  Well, maybe you can get away if you have a usb
> keyboard on core-input1 and include it when you fired up Xinerama.  Again,
> I don't have hardware to test it out.
>
> Enlightenment is by far the best wm to support xinerama.  I use IceWm,
> which works for me.  Hmm...WindowMaking works I think but I didn't check.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Austin Bingham wrote:
> > We've used xinerama here to great effect. Before xinerama, we were using
> > some third-party x-server, so we already had the hardware set up. Getting
> > xinerama to work took me all of about 10 minutes (including reading the
> > howto). Our video cards were some mid-line Matrox cards, both identical
> > (I don't remember the model off-hand).
> >
> > Xinerama did everything I asked of it, and ran our two monitor system for
> > over a week at sea with no hitches. While I don't have *extensive*
> > experience with it, the experience I do have left me with a good, fuzzy
> > feeling inside. The only thing to look out for, I think, is window
> > manager stuff...not all WMs are xinerama-aware, so you can get wierd
> > effects. Sawfish mostly works, and Enlightenment probably does, too. Good
> > luck.
> >
> > Austin Bingham
> > Applied Research Laboratories
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > I'm looking for personal opinions on Geforce2 MX and ATI Radeon
> > > (ve/7k/7.5k) boards.  I need dual CRT's for my (in progress) home music
> > > studio, and a TV-out for playing DiVX on a big-screen, and I would like
> > > to use both monitors in linux ;)  Has anyone here personally set up
> > > Xinerama?
> > >
> > > I'm also looking for general opinions on them as 2D boards.  I've given
> > > up gaming and don't care about GL or Direct3d, so I'm looking for
> > > stability and compatibility in both linux and windoze (98), AGP (I need
> > > the PCI bandwidth for a raid controller, multichannel audio, etc) so no
> > > 'just buy another pci video card'.
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